Careful with those presumptions there......
I have 11 years service in 2 branches of our nations armed forces it was no presumption, those 2 guys who were mouthing off were not shy about letting it be known that they were former US Army, they claimed to be spec ops typical so typical of blowhards but more likely they were only former Rangers or Pathfinders. My point is that not everyone we train in our military is going to be on the morally correct side bad apples exist and those bad apples are very well trained and dangerous. Look at my tag line you can then deduce what I did for the military.