Been a long time since we had a good ol' fashioned FReeper CrEvo thread.
Posted on 04/17/2012 4:27:49 AM PDT by scottfactor
I can understand teaching math, science, English etc. But why teach evolution? It is only a theory after all. It has NEVER been proven. In that case why not teach creationism too? Just present it as a theory. If people argue that it isn’t true then use that against their argument to teach evolution; it isn’t true either. And if they say evolution is true tell them to prove it!
If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?
Evolution must be taught inclusive of its ‘flaws’. Cover all bases. We did not evolve FROM ‘apes’.
But WHY must evolution be taught? Who makes that determination? And using the same argument how about we teach creationism?
Schools should all be privatized. The government should stay out of it.
"Only a theory"? In science, a theory is a description of apparent relationships or underlying principles of observed phenomena that has been verified to some degree--such as the atomic theory or the theory of relativity.
On the other hand, Adam and Eve is only a story.
As much as you’d like to group evolution with those other theories it is NOT even remotely in the same realm. No one can prove evolution between different kinds b/c it is not a hard science ~ it is simply one historical interpretation that may or may not be true. Science can NEVER re-create millions nor billions of years of natural history.
Furthermore, if one honestly reviews, re-examines, re-evaluates and separates the facts from the just-so story-telling it appears that devolution is the more likely process where all lifeforms are on their way to extinction. After all only 99.9% of all lifeforms that ever lived are currently extinct.
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That's funny coming from someone who believes in evolution.
The ToE is based only on forensic evidence and extrapolation of variation within species. It's not science by any stretch of the imagination. It's philosophy.
Here in Michigan it is part of the standardized state curriculum that all schools are expected to teach, and it is measured on the MEAP standardized test. It is ridiculous and one reason I am glad I no longer teach Biology in the public schools. Evolution is given an enormous amount of time in the high school curriculum, and local control has largely been taken away by the same leftover Sixties Leftist bureaucrats that took over everything else.
Biology teachers used to be able to focus on the nature that surrounds the typical rural student and go from there (reasoning from the concrete to the abstract). The standardized curriculum now typically goes the other way (starting with the abstract, the unproven, and the microscopic ). It is not a good way to get the attention of children.
To wit.... “unproven, unobserved theory of evolution”.
All theories are “unproven”. They are all provisional awaiting conflicting data. All theories are therefore “unproven” - once something is “proven” it is not subject to review refinement or rejection - a scientific theory always must be.
As to “unobserved” - that is just idiotic.
If evolution was “unobserved” then last years flu vaccination should be just as good as this years. In fact, there would be no need to update flu vaccinations at all.
If Americans came from Europeans - why are there still Europeans?
If dogs came from wolves - why are there still wolves?
Been a long time since we had a good ol' fashioned FReeper CrEvo thread.
Well . . . at least another reason for the separation of School and State.
Thanks for the beep!
Ah, a combo "strawman" and "proof by arrogant condescension" with a half-twist.
I give it a 4, but the Russian judge gives you a 9.8.
Yeah . . . at least a week or two.
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I don’t see your argument with his statement
Most of those who are on the side opposing science are not generally very scientific, and can’t understand when you try to talk about method
for example, global warming is more like a religion than a science, with politics thrown in. (the worst of both- blind faith, and truth determined by ‘concensus’)
Whose creationism? The Vedic story? The Mormon version? HP Lovecraft's?
Once you open the door, you will not be able to close it if, for example, a Muslim teacher brings his religious doctrine into your child's school.
Of course not, because in the very next statement, you restate his strawman as if it were a fact to build on.
Once you open the door, you will not be able to close it if, for example, a Muslim teacher brings his religious doctrine into your child's school.
So instead the atheists, hypocritically, demand that THEIR creation account be allowed and nobody else's because they've managed to hookwink a lot of unsuspecting people into thinking that it's somehow *neutral* in it's position because it allegedly doesn't favor one religion over another.
But it's not neutral. It cannot be because it takes a position on the existence of God as opposed to which God.
It's no less religious than any religion which purports a god. Humanism is based on philosophical constructs just like any other religion.
So, if no other religion is permitted time in school for their creation account, neither should the humanist atheists be allowed to push their creation account on other's children at tax payer expense.
The creationism belongs to christians. The schools are definitely not christian, they are public and those of all faiths attend. There are gaps and flaws in evolution and there are some findings that show species change. That can be called a form of evolution or adaption or even extinction.
Man was here long before those who read Genesis literally. It is my view that when mankind progressed in intellectual capability where he was able to be in touch with his spiritual sense...that God then touched him and revealed Himself. If Adam and Eve were the first and only humans...where did their son’s find marriage partners? Seriously, God did create but not in the literal interpretation of ‘creationists’. ‘
There are private and religious schools. Not everyone can afford them.
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