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To: allmendream; metmom; MrB; MHGinTN; daniel1212; mitch5501; YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

amd: Read Darwin and you can see that he didn’t get his ideas de novo - but from those with intimate contact with nature.

Spirited: As you have admitted that the concept of evolution is thousands of years old-—making it of pagan origin-—it should come as no surprise to you to learn that Darwin received the concept of evolution from his contemporary pagan grandfather, Dr. Erasmus Darwin.

Erasmus Darwin was a neo-pagan monist known to attend séances. As master of the famous Masonic Canongate lodge in Edinburgh he had close ties with both the Jacobin Masons, the organizers of the bloody revolution in France, and with the infamous Luciferian Illuminati, whose diabolical cause was overthrow of the Church and destruction of Christendom.

Thus Erasmus Darwin was an important name in European Masonic anti-God and religious organizations engaged in revolutionary activism. Erasmus Darwin mentored his grandson Charles:

“Dr. Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802) was the first man in England to suggest those ideas which were later to be embodied in the Darwinian theory by his grandson, Charles Darwin (1809-1882) who wrote in 1859 Origin of Species.” (Scarlet and the Beast, Vol. II, John Daniel, p. 34)

amd: Evolution is defined as and observed as a physical concept. There is nothing spiritual about it, nor can spirit be observed or defined by science

Spirited: You have it exactly backward, as was explained to you in my previous post. From the first, with Enuma Elish, evolution has been a spiritual concept closely connected to primitive concepts of reincarnation and the Ancient Mysteries. W.L. Wilmhurst explains:

“...the evolution of man into superman — was always the purpose of the ancient Mysteries, and the real purpose of modern Masonry is not the social and charitable purposes to which so much attention is paid, but the expediting of the spiritual evolution of those who aspire to perfect their own nature and transform it into a more god-like quality. And this is a definite science, a royal art, which it is possible for each of us to put into practice...” (The Meaning of Masonry, W.L. Wilmhurst, p. 47)

In general, new-pagan evolutionary naturalism, is neither particularly scientific nor futuristic. It is rather a regression to the mystical pagan origins of modern science that reappeared in the heart of Christendom during the Renaissance.

In “The Abolition of Man” (1974) C.S. Lewis points out that the Renaissance reawakened a magical view of the world closely connected with pagan Gnostic sectarianism, Hermetic magic, astrology, Eastern pantheism and alchemical scientism. Accompanying all of this was evolution, occultism, Epicureanism, reincarnation and karma.

Evolution is both the antithesis of creation ex nihilo and the primary doctrine of both Eastern pantheism and Western scientific materialism, and so early on Lewis understood that both movements were merely two sides of the same pagan revival. Thus he argued that pantheism and materialism are not enemies in principle but rather cooperating philosophies united against the supernatural Creator, His Revelation, creation ex nihilo, all higher things, the linear view of history and Christian-based civilization.

What this means is that naturalism, abiogenesis, chance, natural selection, multiple universe and panspermia theories are but six contemporary adaptations of ancient pagan “idolatry, magic, occult mysticism and mythology.” These six are of a whole host of fallacies derived from modern evolutionary thinking that have permeated the post-Christian West and American society giving birth to a “new” pagan religion of evolutionary science.

And so Jonathan Tennenbaum, writing in “Towards ‘A New Science of Life” said Darwinism is nothing but a kind of cult,

“.... a cult religion....It has no scientific validity whatsoever. Darwin’s so-called theory of evolution is based on absurdly irrational propositions, which did not come from scientific observations, but were artificially introduced from the outside, for political-ideological reasons.” (Jonathan Tennenbaum, “Towards ‘A New Science of Life,’ Executive Intelligence Review, Vol. 28, No. 34, Sept. 7, 2001)


215 posted on 06/28/2012 2:41:51 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
As I have explained to you repeatedly - evolution is defined as and observed as a physical change in the inheritable material of a population. Darwin's theory helps to describe this INESCAPABLE FACT OF NATURE.

Molecular inheritance is subject to molecular change and these variations are subject to selection. This is entirely physical, there is nothing “spiritual” about it.

But obviously a loony religious zealot cannot see anything but in terms of his loony religious zealotry.

You think paganism predates belief in God? So that therefore any belief that is thousands of years old is necessarily pagan? You think no Jewish farmer ever notices what the English (and Christian) farmers Darwin spoke to noticed? That new variations arise in populations and can be selected for or against?

Nothing in the scientific theory of evolution will make man into a “super-man”. But to one with a childish and ignorant misunderstanding of science - such delusions are commonplace.

216 posted on 06/28/2012 2:51:41 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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