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To: YHAOS
Godwin's rule.

And you are a one trick pony, and that pony is lame.

Everyone here knows what I mean when I say creationist and I could provide the most common dictionary definition to you for the dozenth time, but you bore me troll.

I am a tyrannical evolution pusher in that I know biology and know that knowing biology entails understanding the theory.

Science should be taught in science class.

72 posted on 04/19/2012 4:43:55 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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Everyone here knows what I mean when I say creationist and I could provide the most common dictionary definition to you for the dozenth time, but you bore me troll.

What a joke. You don't even know what you mean by creationist because as of yet, you have not provided a consistent definition of the term.

I am a tyrannical evolution pusher....

You got that right.

Science should be taught in science class.

Fine. Then leave evolution out of it because it's nothing but a philosophical construct based on forensic evidence and extrapolation. There is no ability to observe it in action, no testability, no repeatably, nothing that would qualify it for being classified as science except it's blinkered exclusion of God.

73 posted on 04/19/2012 6:22:25 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: allmendream
I know of no Christian who does not, as an article of faith, believe that God created the Universe. Do you?

Who gave you the authority to hijack the lexicon and arbitrarily alter the meaning of terms? That’s the tactic of those who look to smear a whole people by demeaning their identity. 0bamatrons and admirers of Goebbels would applaud your calumny. Not many others.

I know biology

Yeah . . . and you know propaganda. What’s knowing biology have to do with the issues I raise, and which you are desperate to avoid? You can’t even answer the first two questions I ask, and you gag on the definition of Creationism offered by the Compact Oxford English Dictionary, revised edition 2003.

Some of my Christian Brethren are under the illusion that they are obliged to argue Biology with you and that they must accept your misbegotten definition of “Creationism.” This struggle has nothing to do with the sanctity or the purity of Biology. It is simply a fight for public money. You want control of that money without any say from the people you propose to take it from, and you want control of the narrative. So you come on this thread (and others like it) to do battle with your political enemies, indulging in the tactics of argumentation common to the struggle for political domination that’s been going on for centuries (and as succinctly outlined by the messieurs Goebbels and Alinsky).

What Some of those same Christian Brethren have done is to smoke you out, and make it obvious that you rise not in defense of biology, but simply to join in the lists of subjugation seeking to obliterate a Christian America. How they choose to deal with this circumstance, what line of argumentation they choose, of course, is for each to determine through reflection and prayer, but I choose to not accept your maladroit mangling of the lexicon.

Godwin’s rule.

You mean his Law? That “Law” applies to the unsupported allegation of Nazism. I was speaking of the malevolent abuse of the lexicon. Propaganda. Typical of the ardent propagandist, you try to change the subject. You are left with nothing but the tactic of trying to shut me up by hurling insults. Pathetic.

You are a walking encyclopedia of Goebbels’ rules of propaganda. Some of them don’t apply to your small scale operation, but they are all admirably basic:
Goebbels’ brilliance resides in his grasp of the essential truth that the most successful propaganda is to be applied in the simplest of terms within the fewest basic concepts possible.

The Goebbels Principles:

#1 The BIG LIE: Keep it simple. Tell it often. Tell it at every opportunity, in every venue possible. Poison the public well with the BIG LIE until it becomes axiomatic, buried deeply in the public subconscious (such as your misanthropic use of the term “Creationist”). The bigger the lie, the easier it is to sell.

#2 Select the few facts that support your case; discard the others, or simply indulge in a brazen reversal of their contents. Distort the facts that don’t quite fit without some creative reshaping. From that base add inference and conjecture. And, follow the techniques of the BIG LIE to drive the point home.

#3 Control the Press (doesn’t apply to your two bit operation). For Goebbels this was easy. Anyone who did not follow orders, found himself, at best, on extended vacation in one of the many “resorts” scattered about Germany, or, at worst, in the basement of a government building with a bullet in his head. For 0bamatrons, control has been only a little more difficult (from time to time something will slip out, but an occasional faux pas can be buried under the BIG LIE). For some reason, those who are simultaneously attracted to the BIG LIE and to militant advocacy, also tend to be attracted to journalism.

#4 Accuse your opponent of the very activity in which you are engaged (such as slinging the term “troll” around - guess we know where you and Alinsky got your ideas).

#5 Bury any opponent, who rises in protest, under a mountain of slander, invective and vilification. This technique serves two purposes: it drowns out what the target has to say; it warns away others who might otherwise entertain the same thoughts.

#6 Build up a firestorm of hatred to divide people. For Goebbels (and the modern Arab/Islamic terrorist, and 0bamatrons), this provided a target upon which the disaffected could vent their rage, while precluding any possibility of reasoned debate. For Progressives it has the added benefit of building coalitions of voting blocs for the aggrandizement and maintenance of political power.

#7 Assemble an SA (popularly known today as the SEIU or perhaps the 0bama MauMau). Although not employed in such a brutal fashion, the SEIU and the MauMau is used for much the same purposes as were Röhm’s SA . . . the ultimate future use of either remains problematic at this time.

#8 The difficulty the BIG LIE presents its target is that in order to disprove the slander, the target is obliged to prove a negative. To prove a negative (a virtually impossible task) requires a good deal of explanation, involving the summoning of a number of facts (many of which may be arguable, and all of which are subject themselves to other BIG LIES), and extensive use of logical reasoning. The BIG LIE, conversely, can be uttered in but a few seconds or written in a sentence or two. So, while Truth is marshaling its forces and ordering its counter arguments, the BIG LIE can be told and retold, and spread far and wide. The most effective BIG LIE is one that comes the closest to the truth without quite touching the truth.

#9 Change the subject. Compounding Truth’s difficulties, the BIG LIE fits perfectly the eight second sound bite for much of what passes in the news media today as reporting, while the response, if mentioned at all, will be reported only as a brief summary. That is why the BIG LIE is called what it is, the BIG LIE. It is BIG in its spectacular scandalousness, and it is BIG in its impact when used in a format friendly to its structure.

Anyone, with bad intentions to disguise, may make efficient use of some or all of the Goebbels Principles, if they approach the problem with intelligence.

. . . Goebbels at Nuremberg — 1934 Source: Der Kongress zur Nürnberg 1934 (Munich: Zentralverlag der NSDAP., Frz. Eher Nachf., 1934), pp. 130 141.

The most efficient response to the nine Principles of Propaganda, of course, is to name them for what they are.

77 posted on 04/19/2012 9:32:31 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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