An interesting discussion. Glad to know you were not harmed by the knifewielding junkie, but it is obvious that in UK the home invaders can safely assume that the resident will have no means of deadly force with which to defend him/herself.
And carting off the whole family of an invaded home where the criminal wound up dead is not presumption of innocence in my view.
Most home robberies here happen to unoccupied homes. Too much chance of a home invader winding up dead otherwise.
Just a reminder, the first shots of the American Revolution were fired in 1775 when British troops sought to confiscate all civilian firearms for the Crown.
Can we at least agree that Britain has a considerable image problem when it comes to crime and/or Muslims? By the way, the Muslim who used his car as a weapon against a burglar has my support, but over here lots of Muslim and Hindu shopkeepers have used firearms to defend themselves to good effect.
And if Mr. Choudary is so marginalized, where are his outspoken Muslim critics? Also, when are the British press going to stop their PC-ridden references to Pakistani yobbos as “Asians”?
1—Actually, I was. Hand cut open with screwdriver he had nicked from my study, but only four stitches and not bad enough that I couldnt grab him.
2—Burglars, yes, here they know 99% of the time the house wont be armed. Again, we can use deadly force if necessary, just not as often as America where one shot is all you need. Killed burglars here tend to be stabbed or clubbed with a knife or baseball bat, tablelamp.
3—It tends to be the owner (male usually if its a family) only that is taken in for questioning if the evidence is showing they used the lethal force. As explained in previous threads, its more a police procedure rather than badly treating a homeowner.
4-Most robberies here are done when people are out.
5—Britain has a problem with extreme Muslims and has been far too slow to react to honour killings or muslim sexual abuse/domestic violence. But headlines aside, the vast majority of UK Muslims are just normal, decent people. Remember the emptiest vessels make the loudest noise....
6-There are plenty of critics, Muslim and non-Muslim, of Choudray. Unfortunately, American media tends to pick up his ravings and tends to ignore any counterattacks from moderate Muslim organisations. So you see a nutcase who seems to say what he wants with no repost.
7-I agree. Although it tends to be the more leftleaning papers/media who do that.