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Preventing Future Mass Killings
Radio Free NJ ^ | 7/21/2012 | Tom

Posted on 07/22/2012 9:22:02 AM PDT by frithguild

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To: old curmudgeon
"Lest’s pass a law against murder."

You left off the sarcasm tag. Encouraging the ability to fight back will give people the tools to resist. Another law against something will just empower those who don't follow the law.

21 posted on 07/22/2012 10:56:39 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: frithguild

This is going to add fire to the Liberal and Obama specific Small Arms Treaty from the UN. The Liberals will let the dust settle and when the time is right let fly with the rhetoric about “ this is why we need the UN’s small arms treaty”. I feel it coming. They will milk this to the best of their ability. Be prepared my friends.


22 posted on 07/22/2012 11:03:28 AM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: frithguild

A tax on those who refuse to carry self protection devices. You must be a licensed pacifist or face a fine to cover the cost of providing security for you...


23 posted on 07/22/2012 11:06:13 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: old curmudgeon
"First thing the defense lawyer would point out is that you were not forced to enter the property."

Which is my point in responding to the post I was answering. If Government is going to play any role here, it's to make those owners liable. Certainly, the patrons did not have to enter the property for the movie, but nor was the property owner forced to make disarmement a condition of access. If nothing else, the property owner has unequitably applied his policy. In this case, God only knows how many legitimate CCW permit holders voluntarily complied in the belief that the theater owner would enforce their ban. Holmes is proof that the owner(s) didn't.

24 posted on 07/22/2012 11:08:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: frithguild

I remember one September morning where 3000 Americans were murdered and firearms were never involved.


25 posted on 07/22/2012 11:08:17 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: OldPossum

Another point to disagree with is that in preventing all violence it would also prevent violence against things like white-tailed deer, pronghorned antelope, wild hogs, bear and elk.

Preventing that kind of violence is immoral.


26 posted on 07/22/2012 11:12:39 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: Joe 6-pack
After the 9-11 attacks Congress,in their zeal to write a prescription to make 'near-impossible' the repeat of the attacks gave us the Patriot Act. It resulted in billions of dollars of disruption in movement and free association, to the point now where we have people who did not finish high school groping 5 year olds and wheelchair bound little old ladies. We were told to get a box of masking tape and tape our dooors and windows. This is the level of analysis and prescription government officials came up with. Now, with the Batman/Joker pretext, they move swiftly toward a gun control law. I presume they want to diminish the number of deaths. So....let us move to ban automobiles. Let us ban tobacco usage in the country. Lets ban surgeries and general anesthesia, because it is sure many tens of thousands are maimed or killed in ORs each year than the Joker killed. The prompting now offered up is a convenient leftist agenda of gun control, one which did not work to diminish the number of deaths in Stalins goverance, Pol Pots country, or Castros Cuba. What is it about leftist that they refuse to see cause and effect. Is leftist ideology so blinding that grown people cannot see the act of a derranged individual for what it was...the act of a derranged individual. Everytime an aircrafts goes down with 233 people on board there is not a rush to ban jet aircraft...they seem to see the relational effect,...but never with a tool which is called a gun. They call it a weapon, or better, assault weapon. Gun owners reference them as firearms. The pejorative is obvious for all who hear.

Let us take up the cause of banning all producers of needles and syringes...how many overdoses do we see in this quarter? If only needles and syringes did not exist there would be no heroin addicts and thus no overdose deaths. Better yet,....the Pharmaceuticals. Let us ban all medications...it is true that if one takes too many tylenol or aspirin it will kill. They would obviously say, used properly aspirin and tylenol would be helpful to patients and not kill. Would not the same thing be said of a firearm...if used properly, for what it was engineered and designed for, would not result in Joker massacres.

Here it come, thought, folks. Obama will seize the emotion of the left and Romney had better be ready. He needs to be ready to give a Constitutional reason why gun control is violative of Obamas oath to office. He needs to give a reason why it is more important now than ever not to be guided by the guile of emotion, but rather be deliberative and faithful to the Constitution. Emotionalism can be made to be a weak spot for obama if Romney just gives it a little thought.

27 posted on 07/22/2012 11:15:21 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: JimRed

Really? You rather that about 3 million of these are left on their own then? You mean you would rather that another Ted Bundy or James Holmes is left out there stewing in their demented mind?

There is most likely no way we could cover all..but is it worth it if we cover just one? I want you to go and ask the survivors of that killing if it would be worth it.

This used to be covered under local county administration. You are against that too?


28 posted on 07/22/2012 11:15:42 AM PDT by crz
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To: silverleaf
A canister of cyanide in a theater could have also killed dozens

Yep. Although Cyanide is sometimes detectable by smell, any number of gases would do.. Carbon monoxide, etc. It is simply a fact that in an enclosed area, it is quite simple to kill hundreds, probably easier without guns actually.

29 posted on 07/22/2012 11:50:26 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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30 posted on 07/22/2012 12:25:13 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: frithguild

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!


31 posted on 07/22/2012 12:45:44 PM PDT by Voltage
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To: crz
Really? You rather that about 3 million of these are left on their own then? You mean you would rather that another Ted Bundy or James Holmes is left out there stewing in their demented mind?

The simple (and all too simplistic) answer is that anyone who cannot be trusted with a firearm, whatever the cause, be it criminal behavior or mental defect, should not be running around loose. But confining them all is too costly.

On the other hand, having everyone who desires it armed and trained makes it likely that the damage inflicted by the miscreants will be minimized by those around them.

32 posted on 07/22/2012 4:16:30 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Well..they are running around loose and it is illegal for them to own a firearm.
And I was not talking about confining them. If you knew anything at all about the SMI, you would realize that there are several levels.

But then again, you couldnt understand, since you need to understand the simple answer.

And yes, if it was required that ALL LEGAL citizens of the country were armed..you wont get any argument from me on that point.


33 posted on 07/22/2012 7:20:35 PM PDT by crz
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To: silverleaf

>Mentally ill people can get plenty of ideas and inspiration from violent “entertainment” in our pop culture<

And then, they are immersed in marxism and revolution by college professors and their peers. Sometimes, I am surprised we don’t have more of these atrocities.


34 posted on 07/23/2012 8:22:54 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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