This is also about population density.
Nathan Bedford's third Maxim of American politics: the greater the population density the fewer your rights.
Posted on 07/27/2012 8:06:24 PM PDT by MichCapCon
People who move to the country don't have a right to a quiet environment, according to the head of one of Michigan's major renewable energy advocacy groups.
John Sarver, executive director of the Great Lakes Renewable Energy Association, made the statement in an email to colleagues in February 2011. It was one of numerous emails obtained through a Freedom Of Information Act request pertaining to wind turbine noise level issues in Michigan.
The Great Lakes Renewable Energy Association supports the Michigan Energy, Michigan Jobs proposal, also called the 25/25 proposal. If passed, the proposal would require 25 percent of Michigan's energy come from renewable sources — primarily wind — by 2025. It would also likely require utilities to push wind farms into an increasing number of areas.
The following message was sent by Sarver from his iPad on the afternoon of Feb. 22, 2011.
"I guess I have a number of conceptual issues," Sarver said. "Relative rather than absolute standards seem to indicate that you can't change the status quo in a rural area. I understand that many people live or move to rural areas for the country views and quiet. But individuals do not have rights to quiet or nice views.
"Government decisions that effect [sic] how individuals can use their property have to be based on clear cut evidence," Sarver continued. "We know that a significant number of persons are annoyed by wind farms. Probably a significant number of people are annoyed by cell towers, Walmarts, prisons, etc. To me the question is how many folks wake up at night frequently so this effects [sic] their health. I haven't seen any numbers yet that are convincing. I still wonder about that 60 dB air conditioner sitting on the other side of the wall."
Before coming to the renewable energy association, Sarver was program manager at the State Energy Office under former Gov. Jennifer Granholm. He did not respond to an email for comment.
Rep. Aric Nesbitt, R-Lawton, a member of the House Energy and Technology Committee, drew his own conclusions upon hearing what Sarver said in the email.
"Sounds like, once again, we have a liberal advocating for central planning to dictate rather than letting residents make these decisions for themselves," Rep. Nesbitt said. "Basically, the way they look at things, it's that central planners know best.
"This (the 25/25 proposal) would put wording in our constitution that favors certain kinds of energy sources. It would take away local control, leave decisions to central planners and raise energy prices for families and small businesses that can least afford it."
A 34-year veteran of state government, Sarver is best known for his efforts to promote solar and wind energy. His Feb. 22, 2011 message came roughly two months before an email in which he recommended that state bureaucrats delete emails from a discussion concerning what to do about a pending report that seemed likely to recommend lower noise limits for wind turbines.
Choo choo trains, highways, and neighbors are amongst the things no one has a right to exclude just because they make noise. Wind turbines are subject to zoning regulations and in most populated areas that means 300 meter separation from houses. At that distance the sound level from the tubine is equivalent to the sound a refrigerator makes. This isn’t about wind, it’s about common sense.
Oil is renewable over time. As long as plate subduction continues.
/johnny
leftists do not believe that individuals have rights. period.
I hope Michigan enjoys rolling blackouts and $600 electric bills.
I suggest people follow this man around 24/7 with music and noise just under the nuisance level, playing music or Rush Limbaugh and the like all the time, because he also does not have the right to quiet.
We’ll see how long before he changes his mind.
I suggest people follow this man around 24/7 with music and noise just under the nuisance level, playing music or Rush Limbaugh and the like all the time, because he also does not have the right to quiet. Camp outsidehis house or apartment, follow him wherever he drives, blaring stuff at him while driving, and follow him to where he works. Anytime he sets foot outside he will hear Rush or Barry Manilow or Rosie Odonnell and he will go insane.
We’ll see how long before he changes his mind.
Wind trombones are not only noisy - they are a blight on the landscape.
One year ago I was driving west on I-90 and as I approached the formerly magnificent Columbia River Gorge my eyes were assaulted by a wind trombone farm. I averted my gaze and tried to recall what it looked like before the USA was overrun by environazis and their anti-electricity agenda.
They’ll need to post guards on them if they are a problem. People don’t move to country for liberalism’s glorious noise polution installed due to the fake “science” of Algore global warming.
No!! I was there gosh it had to have been 20 years ago when my kids were little and it was beautiful what a shame.
Green energy is a scam and a money laundering operation.
Yes, just go gong in my ear, you green loon. We’ll see how fast you can be silenced.
Really, people...
This is also about population density.
Nathan Bedford's third Maxim of American politics: the greater the population density the fewer your rights.
bttt
They don't. Individuals are corporate persons, and only have government sanctioned privileges.
Only natural persons have rights.
Netflix has a documentary film called “Windfall”, which is about windfarms in upper NY State. It shows the noise and the strobing shadows that have destroyed the property values of the people who live adjacent to a wind farm on a place called Tug Hill. It documents the fight of the people in a nearby community, Meredith, to keep the turbines out.
My area is in the middle of fighting a plan to locate huge transmission towers here that are needed to move the wind-generated electricity from the rural areas of the West to the urban cities of the East.
In the film and IRL, these issues are motivating liberals to discover the truth about *Green Energy*. The local arch-statist researching the transmission lines that will run through our area looked as hard as she could to find a Conservative or a GOPer to blame. What she found was that zerO’s administration has these projects fast tracked.
Probably won’t change her vote, though.
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