Skip to comments.Why do we suck at Olympic BB gun? Where is the NRA?
Posted on 07/29/2012 4:41:52 AM PDT by jimmygrace
I'm watching the Olympics and am wondering why the U.S. can't even compete against third world countries in shooting events with air rifles. Are you kidding me? I think the NRA should take a more active role in turning our video game couch potatos into Olympic athletes. They already sponsor hunting sports, so this would not be far from their mission, and in my opinion would be a win-win for them.
Well, if your kid forgets his air rifle in the trunk of his car and goes to school, he gets expelled.
And Heaven forbid that members of the military actually participate in the Olympics anymore, like in the old days...
Lieutenant George S. Patton:
Every high school should have an air gun range and classes offered. Basic marksmanship is easily and economically learned with air guns.
Kids are exposed to shooting & gun education in schools, especially in communist countries. It’s part of their civic duty.
Good question. I’m thinking this is a sport where even a very poor country can afford to compete with the best. And so they put a lot of effort into it. Just speculation on my part.
We lost archery by one point.
I can’t imagine carrying my BB gun through the neighborhood like I used to as a kid. Cats, squirrels and birds used to disappear at my approach LOL. You NEVER see a kid with a BB gun anymore - he would probably be hauled of to jail before he made it a block.
My kids had BB guns when they were little and I was called a bad parent for letting them have them. I guess I should have set up an Olympic range an encouraged them more. They are good shots with anything I put in their hands.
I wholly agree with you. When I was a high school freshman (1950-51), were near Crosman Arms, who provided CO2 powered .22 cal pellet rifles, bullet traps, CO2 cartridges, and pellets to organize interschool rifle matches in the area. Our instructor and coach was an Army veteran, and we took time in our lunch hour/play time to practice.
That's where I started to learn to shoot, although I alrady had a BB gun. Later on, I was on the Syracuse University Rifle team; and received Army Expert rating in M1 Carbine, M1 Rifle, and BAR (plus Master Gunner 81mm Mortar).
In 1995 I shot in a DCM competition shoot, and (after 30 years) came in 3rd among regular shooters with the M1 Garand rifle. I still regularly shoot at age 75, as well as I did at 25.
With this score, and $265, I got my own M1, which I still have.
That, and the ever present danger of shooting your eyes out!
In a word...
...The Olympics. And the whole one worlder theme
I used to have a wimpy air pistol. Great for an apartment, it was pretty weak.
Danged if a bb didn't bounce off a piece of corrugated cardboard and come right back and hit me in the face.
Even though it was more of a pain and slower, I stuck to loading darts for a while after that. They stuck in the cardboard.
Styrofoam is a danger, too—BBs can fly back at you with almost the same velocity.
Blackpowder, flint and lead ball—NOW THAT’S REAL SHOOTING!!
Olympic air rifle is done using competition grade pellet rifles. To use one accurately is rather difficult. The bullseye on an olympic air rifle target is the size of the period at the end of this sentence.
Plus, it is a rather unglamorous sport (skeet is cool, airguns not so much), I imagine it gets less funding than, say, gymnastics, and of course America has lost its shooting heritage.
All adds up to us not winning.
How come you don't already know about these important programs? Are you not a member of the NRA?? If not, it only costs about $35 per year, and you get it all back with one of their monthly magazines. Usually, membership can be even less when you belong to a local gun club! Are you in a local club, fostering teen programs? If not, why not?
The biggest competitions the NRA particpates in strongly is the Annual Camp Perry National Marksmanship competitions, more important to the US of A than the Olympic shooting.
But you ought to know that many, if not most, colleges and universities have dismissed their activity in the shooting sports, and provide no more support, time facilities, or coaching. You might work on your local college to find out why.
Also, England's laws about owning, handling, and transporting firearms are so stringent that it makes participation in their Olympics a bummer, not worth it.
You say you are watching Olympic shooting. Don't you do a little yourself? If not, how about getting into some of the fun, and also support the NRA yourself!
Maybe an air rifle is the only gun these third worlders can legally own, and they get real good with it shooting the rats off of the nightstand in the dark.
Shotgun / skeet in about 20 minutes. We have Kim who is going for it again, 5th time. One hell of a shooter. She shoots double trap Aug5th
Lead, such as pellets, transfers its energy on impact. Much safe. Of course you have to deal with the higher velocity.
“Blackpowder, flint and lead ballNOW THATS REAL SHOOTING!!”
Amen....Preach it Brother!
If this is not just a sarcastic note, no one with any sense shoots withour safety glasses these days. In my Rifle & Pistol club, no one goes on the range without glasses. An autoloading rifle or handgun can pop a hot brass case right back toward your eye. You start training your youth shooter to put the glasses on before loading the gun.
That barrel unwrapped like a Calzone at an italian wedding.
Turned out it was even older than he'd thought ~ and that particular design was elementally flawed.
Lucky for him he didn't get hurt but it took weeks for his eybrows and eyelashes to grow back in nice and bushy.
The United States had one competitor in the first Olympic pentathlon competition. George S. Patton, who would become a famous general during World War II, excelled in the military-influenced set of events. Patton finished in fifth place; he was the only non-Swede among the top seven finishers.
In the shooting competition, contestants could bring their own sidearm. Patton used a Colt revolver.
It’s a joke referring to the movie “A Christmas Story.” The little boy wants a BB gun for Christmas but everyone keeps telling him “You’ll shoot your eye out, kid.”
Yeah, I’ve always read that old Damascaus barrels aren’t safe. I pretty much shoot reproductions, though I do occasionally shoot an original Maynard Carbine with very cool Civil War stamps. It’s inaccurate as hell, but a lotta fun.
I just replaced my shooting glasses. A month back, a pellet fragment bounced back 10 meters and embedded dead center in the lens. I got tired of looking at the scratch it left, so I bought new ones - and never shoot without them.
I still loved learning how to properly aim and shoot with a BB gun.
My friend’s dad, a Vietnam vet, taught us how on little metal targets standing, crouching, and on our stomachs. I think it’s the first skill I learned after reading and riding a bike come to think of it.
Because it’s boring?
However, I’m watching women ride like 100 miles on bikes and it’s kind of dull too.
the NRA has MUCH BIGGER FISH TO FRY...and need their resources for more important things...
The Conference on the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (U.N. ATT) has broken down and will not report a draft treaty to the member nations.
This is a big victory for American gun owners, and the NRA is being widely credited for killing the U.N. ATT.
For nearly 20 years, the NRA has worked tirelessly to warn American gun owners about the United Nations efforts to undermine the constitutional rights of law-abiding American gun owners by putting in place international controls on small arms.
NRA became a recognized Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) and has monitored all U.N. activities that could impact on our Second Amendment rights. As a result, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre testified before the U.N. (2012 remarks, 2011 remarks) making it clear that the NRA would fight any international treaty that included civilian arms.
NRA worked with our allies in the U.S. Congress and successfully assembled strong bipartisan opposition to any treaty that adversely impacts the Second Amendment. On two occasions NRA was successful in convincing a majority of the U.S. Senate to sign letters to President Obama that made it clear that any treaty that included civilian arms was not going to be ratified by the U.S. Senate.
Yesterday (July 26), Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) gathered the signatures of 51 Senators on a letter to President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton opposing any treaty that infringes on our rights. The letter stated As the treaty process continues, we strongly encourage your administration not only to uphold our countrys constitutional protections of civilian firearms ownership, but to ensureif necessary, by breaking consensus at the July conferencethat the treaty will explicitly recognize the legitimacy of lawful activities associated with firearms, including but not limited to the right of self-defense. As members of the United States Senate, we will oppose the ratification of any Arms Trade Treaty that falls short of this standard.
NRA members made their voices heard on this issue as well, calling their elected representatives and urging their opposition to the treaty. As a result, 130 members of the U.S. House of Representatives have voiced strong opposition to the treaty.
My wife and my twelve year old went to Wal-mart to get some BB’s for his gun. She was hobbling on crutches following foot surgery so my son was carrying everything.
When they went to check out, the cashier wouldn’t let them buy the BB’s because my 12 year son was carrying them and they were supposedly for him. My wife got the manager involved, and finally got him to allow the purchase. She even had to explained that the local cub scout camp has a BB gun range and all from 1st to 5th graders get to shoot.
The boy scouts have a .22 range at their camp. (A pretty nice one since Sig Sauer paid to have it built).
This is was in Epping, NH. I can’t imagine what goes on in a place like NYC or Chicago.
A probable reason is that Americans do not consider air rifles good for much beyond teaching feral cats to stay off your vehicle.
Real guns are one thing, air guns are seen as akin to Air Soft toys, even though some air rifles are powerful enough to take medium sized game.
‘Cause BB guns will put your eye out. Safety you know.
My grandad was on the school rifle team. Used to take his single shot .22 on practice day on the school bus, put it in his locker until after school along with his ammunition. He couldn’t afford a rifle bag so he carried it openly, stood it between his legs on the bus.
I’ll bet if they add video games to the Olympic venue the US would be multiple gold medal winners. Likewise if snack eating and soda drinking coupled with tv watching on the couch the US would also excel.
BB Guns and mopeds have a lot in common. wink wink
I don't "shoot" my nail gun without glasses.
I think it’s because our BB’s are made in China.
You got that right. My first daisy cost >$10 from the local Five and Dime store (remember what they were?). That piece she is holding goes for over $4000! You could get a Barrett bolt action for that and punch bigger holes to boot.
That's because the principal didn't want them to leave them out in their cars and pickups where they might get stolen.
So, your grandpa eh?!
Patton missed the gold medal because of disputed shot. All of his shots were in the center of the target, but the judges could only see 19 holes instead of 20. They claimed he completely missed one shot. He said that obviously one of the shots had gone through one of the other holes. Target shooters see this happen all the time, but it cost Patton the gold medal.
To prevent from happening again, targets were made with a moving paper backing so that there would be no dispute.
If it was a contest with an out of the box daisy and 10 year olds we would wipe the floor with ‘em. There must be enough bbs in the woods of the rural US to make a few air craft carriers, right?
Yep, he has lots of stories about the 50's and 60's growing up in NYC.
Yep, he has lots of stories about the 50's and 60's growing up in NYC.
Not the only reason to have shooting glasses. Nothing like having a case perforation or failure on firing!
(No damage done so far...but there’s still something unnerving about seeing smoke curling from places where you KNOW it’s not supposed to be!)
There’s two problems at work here, from my observation:
1. The cost to become competitive at this level is ferocious.
To outfit a youngster with an air rifle, shooting coat, gloves, etc... we’re probably looking at about $3K to start, and then there will be ongoing costs of training, service to these high dollar rifles/pistols, travel to matches, etc.
The air rifles that are used at national levels of competition are like the one the young lady from the PRC is holding: They’re typically German or Austrian, with names like Anschuetz, Feinwerkbau, Walther, etc.
And they *start* around $2K. Just the aperture sight packages for these rifles costs more than $400.
I know that there’s a lot of people saying “Pffft. You don’t need to spend $2K, why I used a blah, blah, blah, blah.”
Yea, and I suppose you’re ready to compete in a NASCAR event with your family mini-van, right?
To the people who maintain that such rifles aren’t required, I’ll say this: You probably have never even held a serious target rifle. There’s a reason why you’ll see nothing but Anschuetz/Feinwerkbau/Walther on the firing lines: That’s what it takes to compete. The 10-ring on a 10m air rifle target is 0.5mm in diameter. These rifles are capable of hitting that 0.5mm point shot after shot after shot... if you do your job. There’s no serious air rifles made in the US, period. There never have been serious air rifles made in the US.
The situation is the same in .22 events. I own an Anschuetz 1807 .22LR target rifle set up for 3-position. There is nothing made anymore in the US that will touch even this out-of-date Anschuetz. Nothing. There used to be a couple rifles that would come close - rifles like the Winchester 52B/C/D and the Remington 40X. There’s nothing in the US market new any more that can or will come close to what the modern Annies will do. That rifle cost me about $2300, “new old stock,” which means that it came to me via a US importer of rifles that had been sitting in some European dealer’s inventory for 10+ years. It was new, but it’s two evolutions behind the current state of the art from Anschuetz. A new .22LR top-of-the-line rifle from Anschuetz will set you back nearly $4K.
Here’s a site where you could buy everything you need to compete in serious matches in one stop:
Poke around a little bit. Add up the prices.
If you want to seriously compete in the target world, you’re going to have to put in a bunch of money. It’s true in the shotgun sports as well - you’re going to be into the gun to the tune of $3K on up (for a used O/U shotgun) and then the shooting costs will consume hundreds to thousands of dollars per month. If you’re trying to compete in the shotgun sports and you’re thinking you’re going to get there with a Remington 870.... you’re not. After shooting a couple thousand clays in a week with a off-the-shelf 870, your shoulder is going to fall off. And the 870 will probably fall apart.
And I’m just talking “regular” clay games. I won’t even get into the neurotic, single-purpose guns that the trap people use. For the clay games, you need to be breaking thousands of clays per week to become good. To offset the expenses, many youngsters need to become sponsored by some company. Kim Rhode gives a very good idea of the expenses in this interview:
NB the line: “Pallets of ammunition.”
BTW, Kim just won her fifth gold in women’s skeet.
2. Youngsters in the US today can’t seem to settle down and concentrate. I’ve been on ranges with young people straight out of the US Army and I, a 50-ish geezer, have shot rings around them. Why? Because I’m not concerned with just “sending lead downrange.” I shoot for scores. I know what a minute is, to the second, in my head. I know what the drill is, and can run through the drill automatically in my head. I can shoot rings around them with my rifle(s), and, more damningly, I can outshoot them with their own rifles.
But most of all, I believe the reason why I can outshoot young people is that I have an attention span longer than it takes to read a 140-character message on their damn phones.
About the only young people that I observe who can shoot are the Marines. The Army? IMO, there’s lots of people who have been in the Army who can’t hit the side of a barn... even if they were standing inside it with the doors closed.
The civilian kids? Pfffft. Spray and pray. Too many, when turned loose on a rifle range, are no better than third worlders with AK’s. Every youngster who I let shoot my Annie 1807 jumps the trigger. They all talk a big game about how they want a super-duper light trigger. Well, when they actually have their finger on an 8-oz trigger, the result is the same every time: unintentional discharge. They have no actual idea what a serious target trigger is, nor any notion of how to control their trigger squeeze. But boy oh boy, do they talk a big game when talking about what kind of trigger they want.
They’ve never seen a shooting coat. They think it’s an “unfair advantage,” and they have no interest in learning how to get one or use one, nor how to use a target or 1907 sling correctly. Matter of fact, most of them laugh at the idea that a sling improves your shooting. Again, only the Marines seem to know anything about using slings.
The problem isn’t that the NRA isn’t “doing something” about this. The problem is that the vast majority of today’s youth have the attention span of a goldfish. If you want to become a good shootist - and I mean *just* a “good” shootist, not an Olympic level competitor (which is a whole ‘nother level of concentration and commitment), you have to exhibit some attention to details, concentration, commitment and sacrifice. You’re going to have serious expenses of money, time, material, etc.
A big piece of the problem very early on, IMO, is that the prevailing rifles owned by young people from an early age are semi-autos. Semi-autos teach horrible shooting habits. Want to cripple a kid’s shooting career from the get-go? Give them a Ruger 10/22 as their first rifle. I don’t think there’s a bigger POS on the market today that gets given to kids to start them off on the wrong foot.
well we certainly don’t suck at women’s skeet shooting. 99/100 new record.
He got cheated in that competition too...he actually shot two bullets through the same hole, but the judges claimed that he missed the target completely.
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