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Biggest current obstacles to medical marijuana are President Obama & progressives on SCOTUS
wordpress ^ | August 5, 2012 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 08/06/2012 12:20:12 PM PDT by grundle

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To: JustSayNoToNannies

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/medical/faqs.aspx?FAQTypeSub=1010&FaqQ=

This is regarding commercial licenses. (I was very suprised to find INSULIN as a disqualifyer). Pot is SPECIFICALLY a “NO” and it would not be a big extension to make it to passeger cars. Keep in mind to just HAVE a CDL means you have to abide by ALL the rules at all times.

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Can CMV drivers be qualified while being prescribed Provigil (Modafinil)?

Provigil (Modafinil) is a medication used to treat excessive sleepiness caused by certain sleep disorders. These sleep disorders are narcolepsy, obstructive sleep apnea/hypopnea syndrome and shift work sleep disorders. Provigil has several concerning side effects such as chest pain, dizziness, difficulty breathing, heart palpitations, irregular and/or fast heartbeat, increased blood pressure, tremors or shaking movements, anxiety, nervousness, rapidly changing mood, problems with memory, blurred vision or other vision changes to name a few. Many drugs interact with Provigil which include over-the-counter medications, prescription medications, nutritional supplements, herbal products, alcohol containing beverages and caffeine. The use of Provigil needs careful supervision. Provigil may affect concentration, function or may hide signs that an individual is tired. It is recommended that until an individual knows how Provigil affects him/her, they may not drive, use machinery or do any activity that requires mental alertness.

Drivers being prescribed Provigil should not be qualified until they have been monitored closely for at least 6 weeks while taking Provigil. The treating physician and the Medical Examiner should agree that the Provigil is effective in preventing daytime somnolence and document that no untoward side effects are present. Commercial motor vehicle drivers taking Provigil should be re-certified annually.

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What medical conditions disqualify a commercial bus or truck driver?

The truck driver must be medically qualified to not only drive the vehicle safely, but also to do pre and post trip safety inspections, secure the load and make sure it has not shifted. Bus drivers have different demands.

By regulation, Specific Medically Disqualifying Conditions Found Under 49 CFR 391.41 are Hearing Loss, Vision Loss, Epilepsy and Insulin Use.

Drivers who require a Diabetes or Vision exemption to safely drive a CMV in addition to those pre-printed on the certification form are disqualified until they receive such an exemption.

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Can a CMV driver be disqualified for using a legally prescribed drug?

Although the driver has a legal prescription, he/she may be disqualified if the medication could adversely affect the driver’s ability to drive a CMV safely.

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Can a driver be qualified if taking prescribed medical marijuana?

No. Drivers taking medical marijuana cannot be certified.


There is the big one. This is just commercial vehicles and in most states they have duplicated these rules for in state CDL.

All states have a reporting requirement. Some are mandatory some are discretionary. There is precident for pulling a license.

You also have to consider how legislators can EASILY make license forfeiture automatic under impairment rules. Insurance companies can have specific exclusions (as with other criminal acts) which makes a pot head a de facto unlicense driver in a mandatory insurance state.

The other option is to adjust the impairment rules to the point where ANY trace of use will be presumed a violation. You also adjust the testing rules to allow for a test time longer than two house as with DWI/DUI.

Either way, the trend to to say pot means no license, period. (see Ghandi and “you win” , so laugh it up)
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21 posted on 08/07/2012 11:05:51 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Nifster
IF one truly has a medical need then Marinol has and continues to be the best medicine.

Pills are slow-onset, so it's difficult to adjust the dose to the minimum required at the time (aka titration); they're hard for nausea patients to keep down; and Marinol contains only one of marijuana's active ingredients. Marinol may be best for some, but certainly not for all.

Pot ‘dispensaries’ are populated by aging hippies and youngsters who are dopers

Irrelevant to the medical usefulness of marijuana.

22 posted on 08/07/2012 11:38:28 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: longtermmemmory
This is just commercial vehicles

OK.

All states have a reporting requirement. Some are mandatory some are discretionary. There is precident for pulling a license.

You also have to consider how legislators can EASILY make license forfeiture automatic under impairment rules. Insurance companies can have specific exclusions (as with other criminal acts) which makes a pot head a de facto unlicense driver in a mandatory insurance state.

The other option is to adjust the impairment rules to the point where ANY trace of use will be presumed a violation. You also adjust the testing rules to allow for a test time longer than two house as with DWI/DUI.

Nobody said it's impossible to medical pot grounds for losing a license, so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

Either way, the trend to to say pot means no license, period.

What "trend"?

23 posted on 08/07/2012 11:44:06 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I have three acquaintances who use medical marijuana:

1. Had a blood cancer. Treatment made him nauseous. Now in remission for two years. Hasn’t had any treatment in 18 months. Still gets his marijuana.

2. Had back problems. Debilitating. Most pain meds ineffective. Plays in a flag-football league and shares his stash with his teammates.

3. She has MS. Her symptoms have not improved, but she really enjoys her medicine while soaking in her hot tub.

Other stories abound about friendly doctors prescribing it to their friends for phantom pain management, anorexia, and various other questionable ailments.

While I am sure there are some who use medical marijuana because it is the only effective treatment for what ails them, I am also sure that there are few if any checks to see if ongoing “treatment” is necessary.


24 posted on 08/07/2012 11:51:24 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Crusher138
Other stories abound about friendly doctors prescribing it to their friends for phantom pain management, anorexia, and various other questionable ailments.

While I am sure there are some who use medical marijuana because it is the only effective treatment for what ails them, I am also sure that there are few if any checks to see if ongoing “treatment” is necessary.

So what's the answer? Throw the baby out with the bathwater by denying medical marijuana to all, even those for whom it is the only effective treatment for what ails them?

25 posted on 08/07/2012 12:00:31 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Nope. Just as I cannot get Vicodin or Oxy for forever, there should be some guidelines implement by the states for follow up. Seems that in many states there is no limit on how long one can receive this prescription, nor are there standards for efficacy.


26 posted on 08/07/2012 12:13:42 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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So what's the answer? Throw the baby out with the bathwater by denying medical marijuana to all, even those for whom it is the only effective treatment for what ails them?

Nope.

Good to hear - that would be immoral.

Just as I cannot get Vicodin or Oxy for forever, there should be some guidelines implement by the states for follow up. Seems that in many states there is no limit on how long one can receive this prescription, nor are there standards for efficacy.

Me, I don't have a problem with leaving medical decisions up to doctors and their patients - even if that system is "abused" by people getting recreationally euphoric without hangovers or vomiting.

27 posted on 08/07/2012 12:42:39 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

suppositiories are fast acting


28 posted on 08/07/2012 12:46:15 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“Good point. Also, I’ve been prescribed medicines - including an anti-inflammatory - whose labels warn ‘do not drive after taking’ but I haven’t had my license suspended.”

I am on nerve-pain medicines. Among the many possible side affects, to varying degrees, can be: light headedness, dizziness, blurred vision, sleepiness (for example) - though no law in my state requires that I register these prescriptions with the DMV and have my driving privileges suspended “for medical reasons”.

Just like some other major medicines that warn of “drowsiness”, I know I must be careful and proactive about watching the side affects of my medicines, just as any consumer of alcoholic beverages must be when it comes to how many and what type of alcoholic beverages they’ve had before they hit the road. Why should medical marijuana be any different of an issue - it shouldn’t.


29 posted on 08/07/2012 1:28:47 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Nifster
suppositiories are fast acting

Marinol contains only one of marijuana's active ingredients, so it's useful only for patients who need only that active ingredient.

30 posted on 08/07/2012 1:39:14 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Make that: Nobody said it's impossible to make medical pot grounds for losing a license, so I don't know what point you're trying to make.
31 posted on 08/07/2012 1:42:41 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

it is ALREADY grounds to revoke a license and where actual impairment is at issue physicians are OBLIGATED to report the impairment. it is the law NOW.

So if a physician considers the use an impairment then that person MUST be reported. period.

anyone who is perscribed pot is INELIGIBLE to hold or maintain a cdl. it is the law.

use pot you can’t drive commercially (or even off duty),

use pot and a your regular non pothead doctor may have the affirmative duty to report your use of pot as an impairment to safety.

read.


32 posted on 08/07/2012 2:39:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
That doesn't add up to your proposal that "any perscription [sic] should have an instantaneous medical suspension of all vehicle licenses." But you knew that, or you wouldn't have said "should." So you're still not making a coherent point.
33 posted on 08/07/2012 2:50:42 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

smoking dope causes ill effects in the lungs (regardless of the ereason why) ingesting food or tea still takes as long as most pills. Just suck it up and admit that you like smoking dope and be done with it


34 posted on 08/07/2012 3:32:15 PM PDT by Nifster
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Pot ‘dispensaries’ are populated by aging hippies and youngsters who are dopers

And yet, many states have enacted medical mj policies. Do you support their 10th Amendment authority to do so... yes or no?

35 posted on 08/07/2012 6:31:00 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

that wasn/t even part of the discussion


36 posted on 08/07/2012 7:03:11 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

The article mentions the 10th Amendment several times, as well as the Wickard Commerce Clause. It’s an on-topic question. What is your answer?


37 posted on 08/07/2012 7:17:43 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

I am not a ‘purist’ as some are. Federal drug laws have been on the books and upheld by various courts for the better part of a century. One of the libertarian persuasion may well want to have all laws over turned since the federal government should do nothing other than provide a military for defense at home. I am not that extreme. The ones who want to rant and rave over all of the tenth amendment violations can go ahead and have at it.


38 posted on 08/07/2012 9:42:04 PM PDT by Nifster
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smoking dope causes ill effects in the lungs (regardless of the ereason why)

Using a vaporizer avoids the harms of smoking. And many medicines have harmful side effects - but we don't for that sole reason ban them or declare them medically useless.

Just suck it up and admit that you like smoking dope and be done with it

I don't smoke dope. Your resort to argument ad hominem is duly noted.

39 posted on 08/08/2012 7:49:17 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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I am not a ‘purist’ as some are. Federal drug laws have been on the books and upheld by various courts for the better part of a century. One of the libertarian persuasion may well want to have all laws over turned since the federal government should do nothing other than provide a military for defense at home. I am not that extreme. The ones who want to rant and rave over all of the tenth amendment violations can go ahead and have at it.

FYI, Jim Robinson appears to be an "extreme" "purist" "who wants to rant and rave" - when asked, "Do you want to legalize only HALF the dope in this country?" he replied, "Only in the half of the states that would." He then went on to quote the text of the Tenth Amendment.

40 posted on 08/08/2012 10:05:12 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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