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I was interested in hearing more about this case after posting about it here:

"Vermont Inn, 2 Lesbians settle gay marriage case"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2922119/posts

If anything is to be learned, its that voting on LGBT rights, discrimination laws, and gay marriage has to be taken very seriously, because once on the books there is no further recourse.

1 posted on 08/26/2012 5:22:45 AM PDT by scottjewell
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We need to overturn the civil rights act and allow people to run their private businesses as they wish.

If a business doesn’t want to serve straight white Christians, so be it. I’ll find one that does.


2 posted on 08/26/2012 5:32:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Property Rights are an important Individual Right.

Back in the 1950s, some lunch counter owners said that they did not want to serve Negroes. "It's my business, and I can serve who I want." Society made the decision then that collective rights of some privileged classes were more important than property rights of individual business owners. It was a mistake.

It's a dumb business decision to say "I don't serve your kind" but in a society which values property, it is an essential right to say exactly that.

3 posted on 08/26/2012 5:32:34 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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Interesting that they are now called “Public Businesses”. I suppose “Private Enterprise” is also an antiquated notion in the era of “You didn’t build that”.

I wish I could exclaim “Unbelievable!” alas, that day is long past.


5 posted on 08/26/2012 5:37:08 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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Many people believe that owning a business means that the business owner has the absolute right to serve, or refuse to serve, whomever they like, but that’s simply not true.

The next step? Force a church to perform a gay wedding.

7 posted on 08/26/2012 5:40:50 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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key words: “in Vermont”


9 posted on 08/26/2012 5:46:42 AM PDT by bigbob
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He doesn’t have the integrity to include the fact that the inn will refrain from this”discriminatory policy” by not hosting any wedding receptions, whether homosexual or heterosexual. Thus a vast majority’s rights to a chosen venue are abrogated. I suppose the same thing will happen when motel swimming pools begin to close down because of inability to afford the chair lift dictated by ADA fiats.


11 posted on 08/26/2012 5:49:00 AM PDT by gusopol3
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Another abuse of the courts......If my business is my property, I accept who I wish.


13 posted on 08/26/2012 5:49:28 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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A “Human Rights Commission” is something that does not belong in America; ideas like that should have died with the Soviet Union.


21 posted on 08/26/2012 6:08:10 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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I’ve been turned away from drinking establishments because I wasn’t wearing a collar. This is insane.


27 posted on 08/26/2012 6:11:50 AM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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The civil rights movement has actually stripped away the important freedoms of association and assembly. People should have the ability to associate and do business with whomever they wish, and if that means “No Gays” or “Black Only” so be it.


29 posted on 08/26/2012 6:13:46 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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Welcome to the USSA, comrades. You will obey the PC commissars, or else!


30 posted on 08/26/2012 6:21:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Sadly, this is an example of homosexual activism directed against religious people, and the folly of homosexual activists. The owners of the Wildflower Inn have created an inn that is specifically oriented towards families with young children. Unlike many, perhaps most inns in Vermont which either ban or frown upon young children, the Wildflower Inn goes out of their way to cater to them. For instance, at the Wildflower Inn they have special activities for children, and many situations where you can leave your children supervised by a Wildflower Inn employee while you enjoy a drink or a meal. In addition, the religious convictions of the owners are no secret, and are something they freely share with guests.

Instead of simply choosing one of the inns oriented towards adults, the complaining lesbians chose an inn whose owners and atmosphere are inconsistent with their plans. Apparently they never considered, for example, that other inns turn away families with children, or that inns exist which would not welcome a religious group, or a group of bikers, or other groups that would be inconsistent with how the inn wanted to maintain its atmosphere.

A group of religious people with their children should call up one of the "gay friendly" inns in Vermont and try to book the entire inn for a weekend retreat. I'd like to see if the ACLU, etc. wants to take up that lawsuit.

I've never seen the government of Vermont enforce anti-discrimination laws against inns where the discrimination is against families or children. Somehow I doubt they are about to start.

As others have noted inn owners should be able to choose which customers to do business with, particularly when it comes to groups, since the atmosphere of the inn, which is what the innkeeper is really selling, depends on the mix of visitors present.

31 posted on 08/26/2012 6:21:30 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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If businesses have no license to discriminate then government has even less.


32 posted on 08/26/2012 6:32:35 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter has more relevant&quality executive experience than Barack Obama)
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This is scary. When Private Business Entities are declared "Public Enterprises" it removes all PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP rights of all Business owned property.

Next step: no more PRIVATE PROPERTY at all.

Welcome to Obama's AmeriKa.

36 posted on 08/26/2012 6:40:28 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Notice what one of the lesbians’ mother said about her encounter with the Wildflower Inn, and how she does not see the irony of still pressing a suit and making an example of them, even though it was easy as pie to find another inn:

“Fortunately, I soon found a perfectly beautiful venue for their reception, a place that welcomes my daughter and her fiancée. And fortunately, I also learned that the Wildflower Inn is in the distinct minority in its discriminatory policy. But that doesn’t excuse the Wildflower Inn’s discrimination or make their conduct any less hurtful and humiliating. I hope that by filing their lawsuit Ming and Kate will be able to make sure that other couples will be treated equally by public businesses regardless of their race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation.”

http://www.aclu.org/blog/lgbt-rights/my-daughter-isnt-good-enough-think-again-wildflower-inn


40 posted on 08/26/2012 6:46:54 AM PDT by scottjewell
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Coming soon to a church near you...


41 posted on 08/26/2012 6:51:43 AM PDT by StarfireIV (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? The essay question for the ages!)
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How about PRIVATE BUSINESS instead of PUBLIC business?


45 posted on 08/26/2012 7:02:37 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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Is there not a single social-conservative billionaire willing to put up megabucks to defeat the ACLU in these cases? If not, they will continue to bully small businesses across the land, using the disgraceful legal system with which we are infected: legal costs unaffordable, and loser never pays.


48 posted on 08/26/2012 7:14:41 AM PDT by montag813
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In totally unrelated news, many couples looking for a venue for their weddings are finding the selection sparse.


54 posted on 08/26/2012 7:52:56 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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It was decided that a business can't descriminate based on religious beliefs but this seems to leave open the possibility of discriminating for other reasons. I wonder what would have happened if the inn had argued that it didn't accomodate gay receptions simply because they tended to get rowdy or something.

Kate and Ming wished to hold their wedding ceremony at a Buddhist retreat in Vermont and have their reception at a nearby inn.

Oh, so Kate and Ming get to be selective based on their religious beliefs -- they chose a Buddhist retreat -- but the Christian inn owners have no such right.

56 posted on 08/26/2012 8:05:55 AM PDT by Yardstick
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