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Schools Are Responsible For Providing School Supplies Not Parents
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 9/4/2012 | Michael Van Beek

Posted on 09/05/2012 7:13:48 AM PDT by MichCapCon

It’s that time of year again: Back-to-school deal hunting season.

Hoping to give their kids every possible advantage, millions of Michigan parents will flock to nearby retailers for new school supplies. But before loading up on notebooks, pencils and crayons, parents should remember that their local public school is required by law to supply these necessities to every student free of charge.

The details are laid out in a 2011 Michigan Department of Education memo listing specifically what supplies schools must provide, including pencils, paper, crayons, scissors and glue sticks. In addition, school districts may not charge for registration or any course fees, even for elective courses.

Yet many parents remain unaware that the tax dollars tendered by themselves and their neighbors have already paid for these school supplies. Some school districts improperly suggest that parents are responsible for these supplies. According to the 2012 Huntington Backpack Index, parents will spend between $548 and $1,117 on school supplies and fees for each student on average.

The rationale for requiring school districts to provide these basic supplies is language in the state Constitution requiring the Legislature to “maintain and support a system of free public elementary and secondary schools as defined by law.” The Michigan Supreme Court has ruled that basic school supplies fall under this definition.

So before parents hit the stores, they should beware of paying a second time for supplies they have already funded.


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: michigan; schools

1 posted on 09/05/2012 7:13:52 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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To: MichCapCon

> Schools Are Responsible For Providing School Supplies — Not Parents

This is absurd.

The parents pay for the schools and everything in them one way or another.

Now for my standard public school rant ...

The “public school”, including the “charter school”, is BY FAR, the largest, most expensive, most subversive, and most destructive entitlement program in the country.

The “public school” is better understood as the “government school collective”.

It is silly to imagine that you can fix the public schools, because the very concept itself is collectivist.

Any child that comes out of the government school collective with their moral compass and common sense intact does so in spite of the government school indoctrination, not because of it.

If you want to win the culture war, have lots of children (see my tagline) and homeschool them or form your own school cooperative with your church or synagogue and like-minded friends and relatives.

Nobody loves your children more than you do.

Nobody can teach your children better than you can.

Nobody knows your children better than you do.

Your children would love nothing better than to be taught by you, if you start doing so before they are corrupted by the government school collective.

It is hypocritical for you to submit your children to an authority with whom you fundamentally disagree. And your children will know it.

If you have children, make whatever sacrifices you must to get them out of the public schools.

DO NOT FEED THE BEAST!

Especially not with your own children.

And DO NOT TAKE GOVERNMENT “EDUCATION” MONEY!

He that pays the piper calls the tune, and that’s especially true for any government entitlement program.


2 posted on 09/05/2012 7:16:52 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: MichCapCon

Glad my kids are out of school, but not glad we still have to pay taxes to the school district through property taxes.


3 posted on 09/05/2012 7:17:15 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker (Oppose Senate Amendment S.A. 2575! I need more than 10 rounds in my magazine.)
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To: Springman; Sioux-san; 70th Division; JPG; PGalt; DuncanWaring; taildragger; epluribus_2
In my opinion, parents and non parents alike have already paid for supplies.

If anyone wants to be added to the Michigan Cap Con ping list, let me know.
4 posted on 09/05/2012 7:18:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MichCapCon

I pay over $8000 a year in property taxes for schools, for what?


5 posted on 09/05/2012 7:18:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: MichCapCon

Heck, city kids get free backpacks, groceries, meals, babysitting, healthcare, meals, legal representation, computers, iPods, etc., and most of all they get an entitlement mentality..

Pens and pencils are the least of our worries.


6 posted on 09/05/2012 7:19:38 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: MichCapCon

Well we the citizens of my rural county in SE VA are presently paying for iPads for the kids in our schools...
And facing a county tax hike to “erase” a deficit in the budget...
And test scores in our schools are dismal.
Amazing.


7 posted on 09/05/2012 7:20:02 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: dfwgator
I pay over $8000 a year in property taxes for schools, for what?

To train little marxists to seize more of your money ya greedy bastid. LOL
8 posted on 09/05/2012 7:20:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MichCapCon

I don’t know what the law is here in SC and I have grown grandchildren, no great grands yet. However, I did buy school supplies for a young boy from our church whose parents could not afford them. Just to get him started was $85


9 posted on 09/05/2012 7:22:18 AM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: MichCapCon

I would have to look this one up, but I have a feeling that requirement is for elementary schools only.

I had to provide my own supplies once I started in 6th grade, and that was back in 1980. The middle school or high school never provided us paper for taking notes, crayons then was not even used. The high school almost never provided a pencil or pen for anything. I think the only time they provided pencils for anything was for the state assessment tests.

Now the schools require students to have a calculator that is worth anywhere from $85 to $120. I am giving a little for inflation since I dealt with the graphic calculators when I worked in retail.


10 posted on 09/05/2012 7:24:41 AM PDT by Eric Roelfsema
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To: MichCapCon
$548 and $1,117 on school supplies
C'mon, what supplies could cost up to $1100 - excluding a laptop?
Even $500 is absurd.
11 posted on 09/05/2012 7:25:56 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: MichCapCon

I grew up in California, Florida and Iowa. My mother never bought a school supply in her life. She’d still be complaining about it if she had, and I’m 52 and my sister is 48. OTOH, I’ve bought tons of them. What gives? We’re still paying property taxes (whether directly as a homeowner or indirectly as a renter) aren’t we?!!


12 posted on 09/05/2012 7:26:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: MichCapCon

Oh brother....more freebies. My parents not only paid property taxes, but paid for Catholic School Tuition AND had to pay for uniforms and school supplies. Parents today don’t have any idea how good they have it.


13 posted on 09/05/2012 7:26:49 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: oh8eleven

You could cut out 90% of the School District Administration budge and not miss a beat.


14 posted on 09/05/2012 7:27:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: dfwgator

budge, should be budget.


15 posted on 09/05/2012 7:28:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: dfwgator

I pay over $8000 a year in property taxes for schools, for what?

To continue to make little liberals. Obama thinks that 8,000 is not enough for you to pay. You must pay more you 1%er. Of course I pay 6K a year and he probably thinks I am a 1%er too. Anybody who has an semblence of a job is a 1%er now adays.


16 posted on 09/05/2012 7:29:35 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: oh8eleven

I decent teacher could teach effectively in a barn with shared books and hand held slates.


17 posted on 09/05/2012 7:29:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: oh8eleven

My guess is that number is inflated by back-to-school wardrobe shopping. Even with new backpacks, lunchbags, etc., to replace the worn-out ones, I can’t imagine we topped $100 for three kids for actual school supplies. But new clothes and shoes (that they would need regardless of school) would drive that number much higher.


18 posted on 09/05/2012 7:31:18 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: MichCapCon

a 2 cent pencil bought by mom or dad

OR

a $20 pencil bought by the government, paid to a corrupt supplier, from taxes collect by a mental moron on the government payroll paying part of their taxpayer funded sallary to lobby for a $200 dollar government pencil.


19 posted on 09/05/2012 7:34:44 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: dfwgator

I pay over $8000 a year in property taxes for schools, for what?
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Tell me about it! We spent over $200 this year for the ‘required’ supplies......for such things as tissue boxes, hand sanitizer, expo markers, paper towels, etc. Absolutely ridiculous.

I’m up at the school volunteering quite a bit. I can tell ya’.....those storage closets are chocked FULL. Most of it is wasted and NOT inventoried.


20 posted on 09/05/2012 7:39:32 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: Westbrook

What do you expect of something set-up on the Bismarck model?


21 posted on 09/05/2012 7:44:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: cripplecreek
And they did, for millenia.
22 posted on 09/05/2012 7:46:42 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Take pictures...make a report...and send it to the School Board....


23 posted on 09/05/2012 7:48:12 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I don’t like the addition of “cleaning wipes”, something that should be provided to the janitor by the school.


24 posted on 09/05/2012 7:49:15 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> What do you expect of something set-up on the Bismarck model?

The current American version of the Government School Collective is a miscegenation of Bismark and Marx, with a bit of Mao and Faust thrown in for good measure.


25 posted on 09/05/2012 7:57:03 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: oh8eleven
Items on my kids' back to school lists included the standard pencils and paper, plus cleaning wipes and kleenex and hand sanitizer. Fees for the year included curriculum fees, online math program fees, field trip fees (those for this semester due at start of the year) and activity fees (chess club for 2 kids, optional from the school's point of view, but $70).

The standard, minimum school supply list was about $100 per kid. The curriculum fees and necessary fees upped this to $250 per kid. Optional clubs and field trips I don't want to exclude my kids from for being cheap, $350.

My kids are not in formal sports or activities with lots of fees. If my son played football, it would be about $200 more. If my daughter did cheer leading, it would be about $400. And my children are in elementary school. If they were older, those costs would be higher. I have no tutoring costs, which is hundreds per month. Music is another big cost for older kids. My daughter's clarinet is a hand me down (free) and lessons are with a family member (free). Yet the school had a meeting with a rep on renting instruments. There are teachers who insist all kids take music lessons, another $150-300 per month. I can see how parents end up on the hook for hundreds for enrichments that they think are mandatory to get a child into college. Sports alone are costly. It would be better to take the kids to the park to run around and organize play dates, but some parents think you MUST have a son in a sport to build character or get exercise. Your daughter MUST be in dance or cheer leading to get exercise and make friends. I use American Heritage Girls and Boy Scouts for the "socialization".

26 posted on 09/05/2012 8:08:22 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: MichCapCon

At one of my local supermarkets, there was a school bus parked with a sign on the side: “FILL THIS BUS with school supplies for needy kids!” Around the same time, some city council members were standing around the doors leading into Walmart, asking people to buy some school supplies and donate them to kids who can’t afford them.

From what I see on the news, the beneficiaries of all this are largely black. But when I was a kid, you never saw all this begging for school supplies. The black kids came to school supplied just like the white ones. I know it may seem uncharitable of me....but I notice this stuff starts earlier every summer, and I’m not getting why black parents suddenly can’t afford notebooks and pencils.


27 posted on 09/05/2012 8:10:50 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: napscoordinator

I just paid $400 for my daughter’s text books plus more for supplies at a U of California that is heavily subsidized by my tax dollars — that plus 30% more in tuition. I am dreading the engineering books I have to buy for the next one (chemical or mechanical, he hasn’t made up his mind yet) when he starts up in a few weeks (already bought the engineering calculator). But now, it’s possible to rent or even download textbooks for a lot less.

I agree that there are many justified complaints about public schools and teachers, however, my youngest just finished AP classes in Chemistry, Calculus C (Diff EQs), Physics II and Biology scoring 5s and one 4 on the tests. He had wonderful teachers about whom I have no complaints, they put in a lot of extra time (that they didn’t have to) helping the kids learn the material, study and review for the tests.

Thank God for those teachers because there is no way I could help my kid with those particular classes, I’d have to hire someone (turns out HE did the tutoring himself).

Not all teachers are lazy a-holes who ignore kids while sitting behind desks reading the paper, waiting for their “fat pensions” — which in California is 65% of a teacher’s salary after 30 years, average teacher makes $60,000.

The AP physics teacher at my son’s school told me AP Physics I and II are now combined into one class making it very very difficult for him to teach two different classes in the same room — that plus the school refuses to give him the $$ he needs for equipment for experiments, ditto for the AP Chemistry teacher. The AP biology teacher was moved into a smaller classroom so his larger classroom, which was set up for experiments, could be turned into a “reading lab” for struggling readers


28 posted on 09/05/2012 8:14:15 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The Road to Ruin is Always Kept in Good Repair)
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To: MichCapCon

In some districts when over 50% of property taxes go to public schools/education then why do parents have to foot the bill for even more supplies? I pay 55% of total property taxes for schools and I don’t have any children. That’s redistribution involuntary socialism in my view.


29 posted on 09/05/2012 8:54:33 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I bet each and every one of them had a cell phone. Priorities?


30 posted on 09/05/2012 9:02:09 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: tbw2

I don’t know where you live, but if you pay school taxes PLUS all those fees, I’d move.


31 posted on 09/05/2012 9:11:20 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: P.O.E.
Pens and pencils are the least of our worries.
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Pens and pencils? I wish. The school supply lists for my kids include things like... copier paper, zip lock bags, post it notes, paper towels, hand soap, disinfectant wipes, and kleenex.
These things all go into a community pile that is use through out the year. The list is long and expensive.

Oh, the list does include things like pens too. However, it's red pens that are for the teacher.

32 posted on 09/05/2012 9:26:58 AM PDT by kara37
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Oh, to expect them to do without a cell phone is just unreasonable. /s


33 posted on 09/05/2012 9:33:25 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: kara37

My kids went to Catholic School. So I’m well aware of all the money parents are asked to spend and stuff to buy - way above and beyond that for public schools.


34 posted on 09/05/2012 9:50:44 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: kara37

My kids went to Catholic School. The money parents are asked to spend and stuff to buy was way above and beyond that for public schools.


35 posted on 09/05/2012 9:56:57 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Westbrook
We just bought school supplies for our 4 grandchildren. I was a little burnt when my wife told me. The teacher sent home a 8 1/2 x 11 page list of supplies each kid needed. But what really ticked me off is the teacher added this note at the bottom (I paraphrase):

Please do not put names on the supplies, they will be kept in my desk and distributed on an as-needed basis to all kids in the class.

It's a good thing Grandma was their to mediate.

36 posted on 09/05/2012 9:58:48 AM PDT by grayeagle
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To: oh8eleven

I pay school taxes and private school tuition now. And the local public schools are demanding as much in school supplies and fees as the private school; in some cases, public schools are even charging for honors classes and riding the school bus.


37 posted on 09/05/2012 10:01:06 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

That is exactly right. Twentytwo students each bringing hand cleaner, paper towels, etc. and those cabinets are packed full.

I refuse to send ‘classroom’ supplies and only buy items my kids need for themselves - pencils, paper, etc.


38 posted on 09/05/2012 10:01:58 AM PDT by InsensitiveConservative
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To: grayeagle
Please do not put names on the supplies, they will be kept in my desk and distributed on an as-needed basis to all kids in the class.

Sounds a little like communism.

39 posted on 09/05/2012 10:08:22 AM PDT by Starstruck (It's all Obama's fault)
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To: MichCapCon

I wonder if homeschooling parents, like my wife and me, can get “free” school supplies from our local public school?


40 posted on 09/05/2012 10:08:59 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Eric Roelfsema
I would have to look this one up, but I have a feeling that requirement is for elementary schools only.

I don't need to look it up. It's called FAPE: Free and Appropriate Public Education. That means they can't require that you supply so much as one single pencil. You already pay enough taxes - the schools are supposed to provide all the supplies needed from that.

41 posted on 09/05/2012 10:50:21 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: MichCapCon

When I went to school, in the elementary years they provided basically everything. Then starting in Jr. High through High School (grades 7-12) we needed to supply our own notebooks, pens and pencils to take study notes during class. That was the 60’s and 70’s. When first child started kindergarten in the 90’s, I had to supply crayons, pencils, erasers, markers and a box of tissues for runny noses. This continued through grade 4. Then in Middle School, which starts at grade 5, they needed notebooks, pens, pencils, and a calculator. Basically all the same through grade 12. Though I noticed a change after the first few years, suddenly the teachers were very specific in what type of notebooks they wanted (demanded) the students use, such as a 1 or 2 inch binder with a certain type of paper plus divide, etc. And some classes required special supplies like graph paper and scientific calculators (big money items). Oh and I never remember ever encountering “poster board” when I was in school. And the first time one of my kids needed it for a project, I had no idea what it was. Now I keep extra on hand and Lord knows how much of poster board, I’ve purchased over the years. Anyways, the amount of notebooks, other supplies and books my poor children had to carry in their backpacks was totally ridiculous. If I had my way they would have been home schooled. But, my husband would never have allowed such a thing, he believes that school is where children should be educated. Though both of us can’t wait until our youngest graduates. We’re almost there.


42 posted on 09/05/2012 10:57:46 AM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: grayeagle

> Please do not put names on the supplies, they will be kept
> in my desk and distributed on an as-needed basis to all
> kids in the class.

Yes, of course. It’s a collective, after all.

Ask your grandchildren the difference between a collective and a cooperative.

Hint: one of them is compulsory and the other is voluntary.


43 posted on 09/05/2012 1:36:50 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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