Posted on 09/25/2012 7:20:06 AM PDT by WXRGina
TIME FOR A HEART CHECK, EMPEROR PALPATINE.
Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another. Romans 12:10
Besides that, it’s really not a good idea to assume you know what someone else knows. Emperor has no knowledge of what I know of Catholicism, and his statement that I “have no understanding of Catholicism in the least” is a foolish thing to say.
Ping
“It shall be prohibited for any person or group of persons to loiter or congregate on Bourbon Street for the purpose of disseminating any social, political or religious message between the hours of sunset and sunrise.”
That clause does not discriminate. No politicing is allowed either. It does not specify ANY religion. It does not specify atheism.
This seems a fair enough and I predict will stand up in state or federal court. I would hazard to supect this fruitless fight is being used as a fundraiser.
It’s not a “fruitless fight.” It is naive to believe this ordinance is not targeting Christianity and Christian political and social messages.
Regardless, this is still an unconstitutional ordinance targeting our freedom of speech.
If you’ve never been to the French Quarter, then I can understand your thinking this ordinance is “reasonable.” The Quarter is a wild animal, noisy place where ANYTHING goes, except (now) Christianity.
We could always make Catholicism the State religion and imprison or put to death anyone who doesn’t practice it.
Would that make you happy?
Or is simply banning Protestant speech good enough for you?
Ed
You are one of those “free speech for me, and not for thee” types. I get it. You are entitled, for now.
Banning ANY group who wishes simply to stand in a public place and express an opinion is unconstitutional...like it or not.
Go to Washington Square sometime and see all the nitwits, commies, pinkos, racialists and assorted baggage. I hate what they’re saying, but they have the right to say it.
Ed
If you have not studied the national stories closely for a number of years now, you may not realize that there is a huge war on Christianity right here in America, all across the country. I can cite you countless stories--besides the Obamacare assault on religious freedom--of Christians being denied their right to free speech, to gather for Bible study, to conduct their businesses as they see fit, etc. It is real, and it's going to only get worse as the number of days grows shorter.
Time place and manner.
The USSC has ruled on this time and time again.
You can not FORCE people to listen. The “place” becomes a hostage situation. The classic example is the person who much chose between losing their spot in line and being forced to listen to someone.
Under this law, the daylight hours are all theirs. They can spout whatever they want. Once the sun goes down and bar patrons abound, they have a right not to be accosted by anyone.
nice try, but the first amendment works both ways.
never assume.
Always found it a bit grimey. Creepy with those graveyards being so ornate in New Orleans.
You have narrow streets, crowds, business on top of business and ANYBODY spewing anything will kill business.
people do forget that free speech includes not having to listen to thee...
I don’t assume on this, LongTerm; I know.
The clear, prolific, hard evidence for a massive war on Christianity across America is undeniable (I mentioned in comment 29).
As for killing business in New Orleans, that’s not happening (ANYTHING goes in that creepy, grimey, voodooy, demonic place, but business doesn’t flinch), and it’s not the reason for this.
“If you have not studied the national stories closely for a number of years now, you may not realize that there is a huge war on Christianity right here in America, all across the country.”
I have, and you may be right. I simply do not think the New Orleans city fathers are part of it; they are nearly 100% interested in the New Orleans business community, and in that strongly interested in the tourist industry in New Orleans and in that prmarily focused on the French Quarter and surrounding areas. I believe that, and not particularly anti-Christian sentiments is what is behind the “solicitation” restrictions. They would do anything that they thought was part of “keeping the tourists happy and coming back”.
Christian groups have the means to counter the effects of the solicitation law - buy/lease a store-front property in the heart of the French Quarter, complete with salon doors on the front, church pews and live music and singing inside and loud enough to be heard on the sidewalk. Different Christian groups could even go into a joint-venture on it with each other, giving each one a different day or nite of the week for their own activity. Oh sorry, that’s right, it’s too expensive in that area - BECAUSE THE AREA IS ALL ABOUT MAKING MONEY FROM THE TOURISTS!!!!
This isn’t about the impact on businesses in the Quarter.
The government there is plotting legislation to limit noise (music) in the Quarter as well.
http://www.offbeat.com/2012/03/21/noise-ordinance-still-undecided-neglecting-the-birthplace-of-jazz/
“Last week, I met with representatives of the VCPORA (Vieux Carre Property Owners and Residents Association). This is the group that’s been behind the very public, very loud (how ironic) protest against “noise” in the Quarter. Most of that noise is, of course, music. Somehow crowd noise, which on average is much louder than most music, never gets factored into their complaints.”
It’s about limiting the visibility of religious protest to sin in the French Quarter. Do New Orleans politicians still regularly hob nob with organized criminals in the Quarter as they did in the 60s?
Okay, then. We disagree.
It just so happens that Christians are the only ones being targeted under this bad, UNCONSTITUTIONAL law. Southern Decadence is apparently not affected by this ruling, even though their message is very much a "social" one. And, you'd better believe Southern Decadence is bad for business:
Southern Decadence celebrations in the French Quarter, New Orleans. (Photo credit: Infrogmation of New Orleans)
Exactly.
There is nothing stopping a christian group renting a storefront and opening a christian prayer/gathering operation/ministry/soda shop.
The hari krishnas are also prohibited as are any number of other christian/political/candiate/election/religious groups.
Yes, of course that’s the way it’s worded—has to be. But I have seen no reports of any “groups” being targeted except Christians, who are not normally your rabble-rouser types.
what you and I can agree to disagree on is whether or the city views the things - like Southern Decadence - as “solicitation”; the primary subject of the local law in question; I don’t believe they see the Southern Decadence events as “solitication” and I think case law would support them on it
sure, it’s possible that a more broadly defined law encompassing all kinds of public events could be written, but one that also prohibited Southern Decadence would likely, and probabvly rightly be viewed as prohibiting Mardi Gras week itself; and from there you might see why the law more narrowly choses to focus on “solicitation” specifically
as I said’ I believe their focus is on the business, the tourist business and “not upsetting” the tourists
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