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Drone Carnage, Children Slaughtered: The Moral Question Obama Canít Evade
Uruknet ^ | September 28, 2012

Posted on 09/29/2012 1:46:02 PM PDT by NYer

A moral question

It doubtlessly is a damning report that the researchers of the American universities have delivered on America’s drone adventurism. It succinctly brings out what a horrendous toll it has been exacting on innocent civilian lives and keeping the whole lot of populace in the targeted areas in constant dread of drones and their fatal assaults. The psychological impact on the people is just terrible, it underlines. But will this report have any impact on the American strategists at all? Not even an outside chance.

Over these times, the civil society worldwide is up in protest against this American adventurism. It wants it to be stopped as this leads up inevitably to the killing of the civilians indefensibly. For this brutal collateral damage, even the UN human rights community is raising its voice increasingly loudly against the use of drone attacks by the American warlords to take out targets they deem a threat to American lives and assets.

The main plea of the dissenting voices is that the drones may be killing the terrorists, but no lesser are they mowing down the innocent civilians who have nothing to do with terrorism. There indeed are very many voices that do not condone even the killing of terrorists in drone attacks, equating it with extrajudicial murder. They argue that no law, national or international, provides for the killing of a criminal or a suspect. Instead, every effort must be made to arrest them and bring them to justice in a court of law.

Nonetheless, all these pleas have fallen on deaf ears in Washington, so far. The decision makers over there remain unimpressed by the factual reality that these drone assaults are in fact proving counterproductive and creating more recruits for terrorism and extremism. Even as this drone adventurism is palpably giving tremendous fillip to anti-Americanism worldwide, the American warlords yet stay unswayed. They are keeping up with it. Indeed, since the advent of Barack Obama’s presidency, they have further intensified it, raising a moral question that they must answer.

On what ground can they justify the killing of an innocent civilian even as collateral damage? The 9/11 holocaust was horrible, precisely because those slaughtered were no combatants but innocent civilians. And so has to be the killing of the civilians in the drone strikes. Indeed, with what peace of mind can President Obama sleep when even children get slaughtered in the drone assaults that he now personally approves? Appallingly enough, as part of his drone adventurism he has decreed that everyone within the vicinity of the targeted object be deemed a combatant, even if civilian, and liable to be decimated.

The extent of his adventurism’s viciousness can easily be visualised from the destructive range of the Hellfire missile fired by drones. It not only destroys the struck target. It annihilates the compounds and assets in the close vicinity and kills the human beings in and around. Doesn’t Obama’s conscience gets pricked when the Hellfire missile takes in its killer sweep a child playing with toys in his home or a mother feeding her baby in her compound? What sin have they committed to meet such a tragic demise? Or does he and his war commanders think that the child, the mother and the baby should perish as they are no Americans and their lives are not even worth a dime?

Here there is certainly a moral question that is becoming increasingly compelling with the day and the American warlords can no longer evade answering it. So prompt they have always been in raising the issue of extrajudicial killings elsewhere in the world. And that promptness they have now to show in their own case. Of course, one could have no sympathy or compassion for those who kill and maim the fellow human beings in suicide bombings and terrorist blasts. But the murder of those having nothing to do with terrorism in the US drone attacks cannot be acceptable either and on no pretext could it be condoned or justified.


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KEYWORDS: bhogwot; deathtoll; drones; obama; uav

1 posted on 09/29/2012 1:46:05 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Obama’s drones flied, people died.


2 posted on 09/29/2012 1:48:05 PM PDT by moovova (Hey buddy, can you spare a tagline?)
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To: NYer

Has anyone ever wondered who exactly is on obama’s “hit” list...could it be on orders from the Muslim Brotherhood for those they wish to be taken out?


3 posted on 09/29/2012 1:50:39 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: NYer

I was talking about this to a friend last week. He’s a big lib and he was bragging how cool Obama was with his precision point drones. I laughed.

I told him just wait. If Romney is elected, you will start seeing stories on 60 minutes about how much collateral damage drones cause, etc. You will see the ACLU and the typical leftists start demanding this action be stopped. Just wait.


4 posted on 09/29/2012 1:57:09 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: NYer

——raising a moral question that they must answer.-——

If the left thinks water boarding three actual terrorist that helped kill Thousands of American was morally reprehensible because a republican president approved it...

...and then justifies killing innocent children and women...by drone attack in the dead of night ... ‘by a democrat president...

THEY HAVE NO MORALS COMPASS ....and can and will justify anything

Remember the ends justify the means....always and in all situations


5 posted on 09/29/2012 1:58:56 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: NYer

The Muslims who operate the site are very concerned about collateral damage to a jihadi’s family when he’s hit. They appear less concerned about the targets of jihad.


6 posted on 09/29/2012 2:01:11 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: NYer
This was written by a former communist or one so deeply impregnated with the mindset of the former Soviet Union as to be synonymous with being a party faithful. The use of the phrase ‘adventurism’ is key to knowing this is someone psychologically trained under the Soviets. Adventurism was an all purpose Soviet land phrase for any kind of action ether deemed internally imprudent (Khrushchev was charged with ‘adventurism’ over the Cuban Crisis after he was deposed) or actions by an external actor the Soviets opposed. The phrase ‘American War Lords’ is a stock communist propaganda identifier phrase . It is used to plant hostile attitudes towards any US military action by describing US leadership as ‘war lords’ a term defining them as uniformed bandits from the period of armed turmoil in China from 1919 on. This article is planted by or published for the current Russian security services.
7 posted on 09/29/2012 2:01:25 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: NYer

The reason that the Obama Admin has authorized these drone attacks is to enrage the Middle East, and use it to install new ‘world dominance’ dictators (mullahs, etc). This unites them against the U.S. government and it’s people.

That doesn’t Obama. His job ends Dec. 21 when Valerie Jarrett takes over and declares us a Socialist Caliphate. He has a Palacial Estate in Hawaii to go to. He will probably be President of Hawaii, as I expect them to secede from the rule of the continent.


8 posted on 09/29/2012 2:03:48 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: PapaBear3625
The Muslims who operate the site ...

Please show me where, on that web site, it indicates it is run by Muslims.

9 posted on 09/29/2012 2:10:39 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

I am very suspicious of your source. Am not sure they are on the right team.

It is Clear, that Obozo is on the enemy team. He deserves much worse than he has received, but I am also concerned about supporting the enemy of our nation in the process.


10 posted on 09/29/2012 2:10:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: NYer
Is there any difference between being killed by a drone and being killed by a bomb dropped from any other craft? Or an artillery shell?
11 posted on 09/29/2012 2:12:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: DefeatCorruption
could it be on orders from the Muslim Brotherhood for those they wish to be taken out?

Obama used to do the same to his opponents in Chicago. Arranged to have the competition REMOVED.

However, I'm pretty sure that Obama doesn't know, or decide, who is on the 'list'. Hard to see updates to the list if you won't attend the intelligence meetings.

So.... someone else knows, and decides. A team of people, backed by 1000's, of course. But one person has their hand on the rudder. Now who is that?

12 posted on 09/29/2012 2:14:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: NYer

Soon, maybe even before Election Day or even on Election Day, we will likely have drones flying above GOP precincts in swing states, hopefully not armed, but intent on intimidation of voters.


13 posted on 09/29/2012 2:14:42 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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I have no problem dropping bombs but the way I see it is why continue the carnage?Just drop a few 30 kiloton nuke and clean out these Islamic crapholes.

We are going to have to do it sooner or later.Stop wasting the lives of our troops to these animals.


14 posted on 09/29/2012 2:15:07 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: NYer; All

——yeah—when the “Bush-Cheney cabal” had control of the White House, dribbling water over the noses of terrorists caught in the act brought cries of torture and international condemnation.

Now, The One sits in a dark room, points a finger and an assortment of targets get blown away on the strength of hearsay evidence——no problem—


15 posted on 09/29/2012 2:16:39 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: NYer

Original Source for the Article you posted:

http://www.thefrontierpost.com/article/183778/

The Frontier Post

Peshawar, Karachi, Lahore, Afghanistan

Not exactly a group of our fiends.


16 posted on 09/29/2012 2:21:30 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: NYer

The true moral question is how many innocent people (kids, women and men) would these insane killers take before they were brought down. WAR is always messy and innocents suffer on both sides.


17 posted on 09/29/2012 2:25:38 PM PDT by BillT (If you can not stand behind our military, you might as well stand in front of them!)
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To: NYer
Based on the fact that

1) The site is in English and Arabic.

2) The site's expressed focus is "information from middle east".

3) The slant of the articles on its homepage is anti-Israel(talking about "Zionist groups" is a giveaway, as is the article on Israeli Occupation) and pro-Islamist, with articles advocating the freeing of Gitmo prisoners, moaning about drone attacks, complaining about the plight of Palestinians, and with most of their articles seeming to be authored by Muslims or coming from Muslim news sources

I think it is a reasonable conclusion that if you dig into who exactly is financing this site, it won't turn out to be Irish Nationalists.

18 posted on 09/29/2012 2:32:45 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: NYer

0bama doesn’t have to evade any questions if no press of any significance is asking them.


19 posted on 09/29/2012 2:43:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: PapaBear3625
The site is in English and Arabic. The site's expressed focus is "information from middle east".

It may come as a surprise for you but the Middle East is still populated by christians.
Middle Eastern christians speak Arabic!

I am a Catholic. My pastor came here from Lebanon. The scriptures are read in our Catholic Church, each week, in both English and Arabic. His family arrived last night from Lebanon, to spend some time with their son. Not one of them speaks English.

As for the "slant" on the articles, one can draw many different conclusions.

20 posted on 09/29/2012 2:56:29 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Obama drones, kill lists he brags about: and not a peep from the left or the left media.


21 posted on 09/29/2012 2:59:09 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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he is splattering children because he doesn’t have an answer to the distasteful question of what to do with prisoners.

if everyone is dead, there are no prisoners. no prisoners, no need for gitmo.


22 posted on 09/29/2012 3:07:36 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: NYer
islamists and islamists-in-training should be killed en masse as they would kill us in a heartbeat regardless of their sex or age.

But that the islamist soeotoro is killing the islamists that he wants to kill gives me some pause for the further consolidation of his own power within the overall islamist system.

As muslims kill more muslims than they do anyone else, placed along with the murders of our Armed Forces personnel, our diplomats and their aides, plus God knows how many other Americans and foreign nationals he's killed on the QT, barry's likely high on the list of the most murderous muslim of all time, even to top muhamed himself before long.

23 posted on 09/29/2012 3:28:09 PM PDT by onedoug
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My first guess would have been Muslim too, though it’s not super surprising he’s an Arab Christian.

As for slant, I wonder if the writer has ever directed this kind of moral accusation at the terrorists.


24 posted on 09/30/2012 1:14:31 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick; PapaBear3625
My first guess would have been Muslim too ...

I think that is normal. Here in the west, we associate arabic with muslim because of all the terrorist attacks they have inflicted. For catholics and christians, it is very important to remember that Christ was born, died and resurrected in the Middle East. He never went to Rome, much less North America. Even more surprising for some is to realize that Jesus, His mother and the apostles spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew which was the language used in Jewish liturgical services. Aramaic evolved into .... Arabic! The word Allah was first used by christians, not muslims. It's origin is the Aramaic word Aloho, meaning God.

Following His resurrection, our Lord appeared to the apostles, sent them the gift of the Holy Spirit and told them to bring the "good news" to all nations. There were no trains or planes at that time. They set out from Jerusalem and went to the surrounding nations.

Though raised in the Roman Catholic Church, I now practice my faith in a Maronite (Eastern) Catholic Church which retains Aramaic as its liturgical language. The Maronite Catholic Church predates the Roman Catholic Church. It draws its liturgy from the ancient city of Antioch where Peter served as bishop before continuing on to Rome. In fact, some of the earliest Maronite churches are former synagogues where the entire congregation was converted. Some of the elements of the synagogue are retained, even today, in the design of Maronite Catholic Churches.

The pope visited Lebanon last week. There he met with representatives from the major catholic, orthodox, protestant and muslim communities. Our small parish tends to be a microcosm of what one finds in the Middle East. The community began as predominantly Lebanese but over the past century, evolved into one that mirrors what Pope Benedict found in in Lebanon. We are comprised of catholics from the Latin, Melkite and Maronite Churches, Syriac Orthodox christians and, occasionally, a muslim visitor. We are Lebanese, German, Dutch, Irish, German, Polish and a mixed pedigree of nationalities. The New Testament readings are in English and Arabic, which is the official language of Lebanon. Our pastor's family just arrived from Lebanon. They only speak Arabic and a smattering of French. I sat behind them today and let me assure you, these are very devout christians!

We need to remember the persecution being suffered by ALL christians in the Middle East and pray for them. This is the land of Jesus Christ! What is happening there will eventually happen here, though perhaps not in our lifetime. Thank you both for your prayers!

25 posted on 09/30/2012 1:17:50 PM PDT by NYer
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That’s nice.

I reiterate that I wonder if the writer has ever directed this kind of moral accusation at the terrorists. I’d guess not, though I’d be happy to be proven otherwise.


26 posted on 09/30/2012 1:28:18 PM PDT by Yardstick
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