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To: exDemMom

The problem I have with these studies is that so far, as far as I know, they can show no PHYSICAL difference in autistic cases. No damage or underdevelopment of any of the brain centers, no biochemical or other markers, no obvious deficiencies or changes to neural functions.

All they base their data on is behavioral models.

Even given that we may not have a complete understanding of what exactly is happening, we can still look at correlations. And there is no doubt that the rise in autism correlates with increased HFCS consumption.

But autism also correlates with increased margarine consumption.
Autism also correlates with Mario Brothers and reduced exercise.
When I was young, my mother, a Catholic, ate fish on Fridays... autism correlates with the decrease in that tradition.

I see these things as tantalizing hints until we have more concrete answers. And one of the fudging factors introduced by epigenetics is that the answer for what YOU should eat might be very different from what I should eat!


98 posted on 10/18/2012 4:53:11 AM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf
The problem I have with these studies is that so far, as far as I know, they can show no PHYSICAL difference in autistic cases. No damage or underdevelopment of any of the brain centers, no biochemical or other markers, no obvious deficiencies or changes to neural functions.

Sophisticated imaging techniques are beginning to reveal some of the differences in brain function between autistic and normal individuals. So it is not true that there are no physical differences; we just haven't had the imaging capability previously to see them.

Even given that we may not have a complete understanding of what exactly is happening, we can still look at correlations. And there is no doubt that the rise in autism correlates with increased HFCS consumption.

There is no correlation that I know of, nor any mechanism to explain why fructose from corn would cause brain damage, but identical fructose from fruit, honey, agave, etc., would be perfectly harmless. The author of this study is, as other posters have pointed out, a kook.

Correlation is not causation. That seems to be a very difficult concept to grasp, but it is essential to understand it.

I see these things as tantalizing hints until we have more concrete answers. And one of the fudging factors introduced by epigenetics is that the answer for what YOU should eat might be very different from what I should eat!

Epigenetics, I'm afraid, is going to be one of those catch-alls that people start throwing around, thinking they know what they are talking about. I've seen similar woo expressed by people talking about DNA.

(Technical discussion follows.) Specifically, epigenetics refers to modification of DNA that does not actually change its structure. Most often, the modification consists of methyl groups being attached at specific nucleotide sequences. These methyl groups have the effect of changing gene expression. The accumulation of such modifications takes place over a period of time. Identical twins have nearly identical epigenomes at 7 years old, but not at 67 years old. My hypothesis, aka "educated guess": If autism can be traced to alterations in the epigenome, those alterations are highly unlikely to have happened within the child's short life (autism symptoms can start appearing in 12 mo old children). They'll be changes that occurred at the level of the gametes produced by the mother or father.

125 posted on 10/18/2012 5:10:18 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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