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2012 Flashback: Free Republic: 2 Weeks Left of Relevancy Unless You Fix It [updates at 130, 270]
October 23, 2012 | Self

Posted on 10/23/2012 3:58:44 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark

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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for your reply, Jim. All the best to you and John as you wrestle with this.

If you haven't written a book yet, sir, I ask, what in the world are you waiting for? The story of the founding and growth of Free Republic would be of interest to at least as many people as there are registered here...

151 posted on 10/23/2012 12:32:22 PM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: Lazamataz; LUV W
I must admit, humblegunner is slightly more evil.

That's just because I always click "Allow" on the upgrades.

152 posted on 10/23/2012 12:35:20 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, my business is application monitoring. I use a product that collects a huge amount of information from multi-tier (web, app, db) applications and provides reporting and alerting when things go wrong. Some of our deployments include thousands of servers.

When John reports that "all the dials are fine", but things clearly aren't fine, he is missing something important. Without a monitoring tool that collects all the relevant information, he may never see it.

Unfortunately, I would be limited in what I could do in your current implementation. But, there is a great deal of information that typically isn't watched, and should be.

There's nothing I could do in the next two weeks, anyway. What I would suggest has already been offered by several people (including me) over the past month or so: find a way to offload the live threads to a chat server, ideally one integrated with your authentication. Use a Javascript client that can be launched from a browser.

A quick search yielded this: http://www.webappers.com/best-free-javascript-chat-clients-for-your-website/

153 posted on 10/23/2012 12:36:15 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson; Admin Moderator
I'm so sorry, Jim. I love this site and appreciate everything that you, John, the Admin Moderators and everyone who helps to keep it running do.

Thanks to you all, and God bless you.

154 posted on 10/23/2012 12:37:57 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson

Thank you both very very much for Free Republic.


155 posted on 10/23/2012 12:39:17 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

I have seen a lot of complaining from my fellow FReepers and I am surprised that I have not seen an “official” response. If there has been one, can someone post a link for me?

I hope to learn more in this thread....


156 posted on 10/23/2012 12:40:42 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

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157 posted on 10/23/2012 12:42:18 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Lazamataz; LUV W; humblegunner

Of course Humble is evil.
He’s had The Coffee.
It’s what powers his Blogger Overlord armor I hear.
He didn’t offer you any coffee when you met, did he?


158 posted on 10/23/2012 12:44:31 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Lazamataz

Well, I’m prototyping some new software designs myself (in my spare time). Don’t have it ready for public demo yet though.


159 posted on 10/23/2012 12:44:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Darksheare; Lazamataz; LUV W
He didn’t offer you any coffee when you met, did he?

Nope, Laz never made it. Darn the luck.

160 posted on 10/23/2012 12:50:42 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
"WHO THE HELL SIGNS AN UPGRADE AGREEMENT WITHOUT READING THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT???!?" -- South Park, Human CentiPad.
161 posted on 10/23/2012 12:51:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Lazamataz

True dat... it is sort of like posting without reading, and no one here does that.


162 posted on 10/23/2012 12:52:40 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: TomGuy
Someone posted a trace route log that showed the FR stream bogging down in the San Jose area. That, IIRC, where the FR servers are located. Is the problem with the FR hosting facility? If so, FR should be considering alternative hosting facilities.

I originally thought the primary problem was with NTT America, Inc. and indeed there is a problem there normally when I trace route to FR. Last night I observed something different. I was able to post and refresh relatively easy at the beginning of the debate and then FR would not respond while signed in and very slow in lurker (Private Browsing) mode. The trace route during that time was very rapid even up to FR.

Oddly, the delays at NTT America disappeared when FR basically ground to a halt.
163 posted on 10/23/2012 12:58:50 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m still in for that Beta tester role. :)

BTW, we should join forces and I’d love to see how your ideas might integrate to some of mine. :)

Now that I know your phone number, let me know a decent time to chat. It’s very important to me that you know I mean to include you and John ((((100%)))) should this thing be useful!!!!!

Uh, John, you might need to learn a new language, but how bad is that??? :)


164 posted on 10/23/2012 12:59:02 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: CSM

JimRob has been hear, scan upwards. Unlike Obama, he answered every point raised.


165 posted on 10/23/2012 12:59:59 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Lazamataz
Woe is the person who gazes upon me, for they shall perish.


166 posted on 10/23/2012 1:05:04 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson; Chris Robinson
Well, I think I meant pageviews.

I just remember back during one of the Pres election days there were 11 million “somethings” that day.

Wow, 1.2 million pageviews that's a bunch, and 77,000 pageviews per hour at the peak that's a lot too!

And an average of 1m a day, FR is the man!

Thanks to you, John, and Chris for keeping FR up and shaking up the political scene.

I don't quite understand that cloud thingie (and don't want it clogging up my brain either lol) but it seems it has potential to be part of the solution.

Thanks for the post Jim.

167 posted on 10/23/2012 1:06:17 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead-->MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro

Yeah, I remember the 11 million hits number too. I think our third party hits counter software in those days was over counting. I think “hits” included pages and images so it probably wasn’t over 1 million pageviews.


168 posted on 10/23/2012 1:12:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: PA Engineer

That speaks to a problem behind the firewall. Once you are in the server farm, something’s causing a near-thrash condition. Okay, that’s not the right term for it, but you know what I mean.


169 posted on 10/23/2012 1:16:38 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Jim Robinson
it probably wasn’t over 1 million pageviews

That ain't no small fish!

170 posted on 10/23/2012 1:20:56 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: nutmeg

Yeah... I’m not wading into that mess. Too much emotion and not enough IT.

I just know there are solutions available and in modern IT, taking this long to fix an issue with a message board is not something that should be going on. But it’s not my baby so... All I know is that I stayed off the site most of today as it was still slow. Soon just start going elsewhere. Twitter isn’t a bad replacement.


171 posted on 10/23/2012 1:21:02 PM PDT by paul544
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To: sodpoodle
I have no computer expertise whatsoever - so this suggestion is probably way off base. But, I’m wondering if you could eliminate some of the posting history, private mail and other ‘home page’ niceties. All that stuff must take up a huge block of memory. Who goes back more than just a few days on their own history, much less anyone else?

That won't be it. That stuff is in a db. This is chewing processer time and availability. Different parts of the same animal.

172 posted on 10/23/2012 1:25:00 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: John W; mazda77
Yes, but, I never have trouble tuning his program in Monday through Friday at 12 noon ET no matter where I am or what’s going on in the world. Not so with FR.

I must concur.


The pain you feel today is the strength you'll have tomorrow.

173 posted on 10/23/2012 1:35:23 PM PDT by rdb3 (Democrats: Once a slave owner, ALWAYS a slave owner!)
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To: Arcy

Look, if you don’t trust me don’t donate. In fact, if you think I’m that bad, just leave. No one forces you to be a member here.


174 posted on 10/23/2012 1:49:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Lazamataz
chewing processer time and availability

Interesting. I've noticed certain patterns of behavior when the system is acting wonky. The following are problematic functions:

Logging into the system
Responding within an open thread
Searching personal history, previous posts

Each of these would seem to require some form of authentication - if I were looking at these problems within one of my own systems, I would look at LDAP. Not sure what authentication routines or procedures are being used within FR but I'd be looking there.

175 posted on 10/23/2012 2:13:22 PM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: Ol' Sox; John Robinson
Interesting. I've noticed certain patterns of behavior when the system is acting wonky. The following are problematic functions:

Logging into the system
Responding within an open thread
Searching personal history, previous posts

Each of these would seem to require some form of authentication - if I were looking at these problems within one of my own systems, I would look at LDAP. Not sure what authentication routines or procedures are being used within FR but I'd be looking there.

Good observation. JohnRob, here's a lead.

Also, I note that posting to a ping list, which requires a lot of lookup of names, is slower. Perhaps the user database needs optimized, and maybe some of the related authentication code (cookies-referencing code, I suspect) needs to be looked over.

176 posted on 10/23/2012 2:20:37 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Arcy was being a real nudge. There's some deleted comments you should purvue.

I mean, God love ya Jim, but they have you as some sort of Bonnie and Clyde. Your health simply isn't good enough to ENJOY ill-gotten gains!!! I'm amazed and impressed you do all you DO with the forum, frankly... that can only come from a labor of love, y'know? Love of America. You miss America as much as I do.

177 posted on 10/23/2012 2:26:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Jim Robinson

that’s a beautiful story Jim....however I told ya what the problem is and gave ya the number to the IT tech to prove it....for the cost of a phone call....I did this 4 times in 2 months.....so Pardon me if all the explainations fall on deaf ears

I like Fr but loath arrogance or ignorance


178 posted on 10/23/2012 2:56:55 PM PDT by advertising guy (" that lie has it's own sleep number " David Feherty PGA Championship 2012)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
if you're not up and running on election night 2012 you might as well close the door on any thought of continuing your political relevance.

BS!! Our work is done for a bit by then on election night. Seems your main interest is in partying and whining and FAIL big time in your manipulative attempts with your liberal agenda here. Go crawl back in your dark hole. We have permanent lights on @ FR and, perhaps, too bright for you.

179 posted on 10/23/2012 3:00:51 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
You can attack the messenger all day long on this one.

You are no messenger, just a whiner - a dime a dozen! Get in the back of the line where you will see how 'not relevant' you are.

180 posted on 10/23/2012 3:04:52 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Comeon bro, Pittsburg was too snarky, no doubt, but he raised important points. JimRob agreed and addressed all the points even throughout the thread. We cannot be a ‘dysfunctional family’ where we cannot honestly talk about real problems. We’ll find solutions, in time, but we have to be able to talk about the problems....


181 posted on 10/23/2012 3:06:07 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: advertising guy

Well, me calling the number would do no good whatsoever. If your friend on the other end of the line has THE solution, please have him email it to me and I’ll be sure John gets it.
Thanks


182 posted on 10/23/2012 3:11:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Lazamataz
That speaks to a problem behind the firewall. Once you are in the server farm, something’s causing a near-thrash condition. Okay, that’s not the right term for it, but you know what I mean.

Yes. Seems to reflect what Jim had discussed. The Traffic stats at Alexa also confirm this. There was a 10.25% drop in internet traffic yesterday.
183 posted on 10/23/2012 3:21:19 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: justlurking

“Live chats would be a good substitute for all kinds of things”

I second that.

The excellent reptile forum I belong to has several great topical forums *and* a live chat room available 24/7.

The chat is fast moving and in real time.

I prefer chat over FB because FB is pure evil, IMO.

I searched for organic coconut oil for my dogs a week ago and I’m *still* getting intrusive ads for that brand of oil.

FB tracks every bloody move you make.


184 posted on 10/23/2012 3:25:59 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson; Lazamataz; onyx; Syncro; y'all
None of the above applies.

No kidding, right?

As an experienced software developer and unix systems & database administrator, it wears me out when people make blanket statements without any intimate knowledge of the operating environment. Alerting management and administrators that a problem exists and expressing the level of its severity is acceptable. Making suggestions is acceptable. Offering help is acceptable. Making blanket statements about what is obviously the problem and how easy it is to fix are unacceptable and unappreciated.

No, it is absolutely not a simple matter to "upload the code" to a "new hosting company." Software is designed, coded, and configured to run in specific operating environments. Generally speaking, changing operating environments requires configuration changes at multiple places: the network, the hardware, the operating system, the database(s), and the software. It can and usually does require changes to the actual software, meaning how the software is written. Unless the operating environment was specifically designed to be portable across platforms and environments (most aren't), it probably isn't easily ported.

Troubleshooting performance issues is also not a simple matter. It is almost always not a matter of "either this or that." It is almost always a combination of solutions, which means a combination of resources must be examined in multiple combinations at multiple times from multiple perspectives: network, hardware, database, and software. Money is rarely the easy answer. When it is, the IT staff hollers "Yeehaw!" and gets to work, eager to fix the damn thing and be done with the complaints.

Now, with respect to professional help in troubleshooting the performance problem, I will put my money and my experience where my mouth is and offer my expertise, my time, and that of my very experienced IT associates and probably some FRiends. If Jim and John want the help (for free), there it is.

But don't anybody get excited. That does not equate to "problem solved." There would be many details to work out and coordinate, not the least of which is John's time, effort, availability, and professional trust. Is he even willing to allow someone else a look under the hood to help diagnose the problem? Only he can or should answer that question. I can guarantee that screaming at him or trying to force him to do so ain't gonna work. Been there, done that, ain't doin' it again.

Can it be resolved before the election? I don't know. Can we try? I don't know that either.

Many more questions than answers, unfortunately.

FRegards, Tex P.S. As a frame of reference, one of the developers of Facebook commented recently that if FB had to do any significant reconfiguration or make significant changes to the operating environment, it would be an epic failure and disaster, essentially, because Facebook grew at an exponential rate and was not built with scalability or performance in mind. They just threw money and hardware at the problems ... because they had that luxury.

185 posted on 10/23/2012 3:34:34 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: presently no screen name

Knock it off. That ain’t helping.


186 posted on 10/23/2012 3:36:37 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: Salamander
FB tracks every bloody move you make.

Tell your browser to delete your cookies every time you shut it down.

I don't know if Internet Explorer has that option, but you can certainly delete all your cookies manually. Firefox has a way to do it automatically each time.

That gets rid of all the tracking cookies that you have in your browser. You'll also lose some other stuff, like default usernames. You'll have to login to FR again. But, it's more reliable than any other methodology.

187 posted on 10/23/2012 3:42:49 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Ol' Sox; Jim Robinson

I was just telling him that the other day!


188 posted on 10/23/2012 3:46:22 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: Lazamataz

Learn C#? On purpose? Why? Yech!

(Sorry.)


189 posted on 10/23/2012 3:52:17 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: FReepers; Jim Robinson; John Robinson; PittsburghAfterDark; Ol' Sox; don-o; glock rocks; RedMDer; ..

First things first. God bless and keep you and your genius son, John.

FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY and will never be irrelevant.

We are the premiere site on the whole of the Internet for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty Conservatives and our awesome membership freely supports our forum with freely given donations!

I don’t want to hear any talk about refunding the donations intended for the new equipment when John determines the precise equipment that’s needed. In fact, if more money is needed, we’ll raise it!

There’s been a lot of griping and and understandably so. The premiere site is expected to be online 24/7.

You have graciously put those questions and gripes to rest. I’m so sorry you had to share John’s personal information with the membership, but perhaps that was necessary too. He has my prayers and now the membership’s too. Of course, everyone should realize, that his personal problems have not stopped his work on solutions for FR’s problems!!!

Like you said, “there’s no place like home” and FR is our home!

Please everyone, SUPPORT YOUR HOME ON THE INTERNET.

OUR 4TH QUARTER FREEPATHON IS WELL UNDERWAY!

PLEASE DONATE TODAY, MONTHLY IF YOU CAN.

Very generous FReeper Sponsors are kicking-in $10.00 for every New Monthly Donor & $1-A-DAY DONOR!!!!

God bless and Keep you all!


190 posted on 10/23/2012 3:58:49 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: advertising guy; Jim Robinson
You told him what the problem is?

Well, that's the epitome of arrogance and ignorance considering the fact that you didn't write the software, didn't implement it, AND don't maintain it.

191 posted on 10/23/2012 3:59:20 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: humblegunner; onyx; TheOldLady; trisham; DJ MacWoW; musicman

192 posted on 10/23/2012 4:07:15 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: Jim Robinson

Just goes to show that when you have a great site..you draw more people:) I have faith in you as do the majority of freepers and know you and John are doing your best..that is all that matters to me.
Love Free Republic:)


193 posted on 10/23/2012 4:12:59 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: onyx; Jim Robinson

I thought Jim’s offer to refund was a stand up move. I am not interested in getting my paltry donations back - I pay for value received.

I do appreciate the suggestions and offers of help. I am a bit perplexed with the resistance. It has been my experience that a second set of eyes and a second brain often helps when I get stuck on a problem.


194 posted on 10/23/2012 4:15:34 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Learn C#? On purpose? Why? Yech!

Because then you would have access to a truly object-oriented language with a rich and well-tested library of highly-scalable, easily-configured functionality, based on a language-agnostic platform that adapts well to Agile development techniques?

195 posted on 10/23/2012 4:17:18 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: Jim Robinson
There is a lot of talent and expertise within a reasonably close radius of you, that much is evident from the many offers of advice on this thread. A sort of Manhattan Project literally involving all who are willing and qualified in order to right FR in short order might be a workable notion. Isolate and test, isolate and test until the source or sources are pinned down, with enough manpower to cover all your bases in a short period of time.

FR is bleeding, that much is so. It's difficult to maintain viewing habits let alone posting habits when it's just not possible during any noteworthy event with political import. People will find other options, it's just human nature.

See how many individuals with the necessary talent are FReepers and pull it off in time for the Presidential vote in two weeks. If you need specific equipment publish a list, see about donations of hardware, cash donations, etcetera with a hard number and a deadline, with FReepers themselves involved.

This has been my political home for going on eight years, and I frequented the place for many years before that. This is painful to watch. I'm sure it is for you, you've more or less dedicated your life to FR.

Try this, see if it resolves the issue. Time is getting short, I'm not the only one with this sense.

196 posted on 10/23/2012 4:18:30 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, if you ever decide you need to do some financed equipment for 2 or 3 years, I will help with $50 extra a month just for that payment. Just say the word. I am betting there would be a few of us who would throw in to get the systems running better.

TC


197 posted on 10/23/2012 4:31:22 PM PDT by I_be_tc
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To: onyx

Excellent post, onyx.


198 posted on 10/23/2012 4:31:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Quit griping, What is, is. On a night like last night, plan ahead and go somewhere you can follow the goings on.

Obviously nothing is going to change, so, you have to change.


199 posted on 10/23/2012 4:34:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: justlurking

I have a slew of web hosting user names and passwords stored in my browser and it’s a PITA to have to go look them up every time I update my sites, not mention all the log ins I have.

Can’t do it.

Firefox has an option to ‘protect’ them but it is so aggravating and time consuming.


200 posted on 10/23/2012 4:34:57 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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