Gee, I guess I should give you some hard Wisconsin numbers to think about.
Looking at the drop in Obama voters from 2008 to 2012, it was pretty consistent. Obamabots were definitely LESS than enthused. Most of the counties showed a pretty steady drop to between 88%-92% of the 2008 vote.
HOWEVER, in certain counties, the Obama vote count took a bottle of Viagra. These certain counties were centered around Dane (within about an hour's drive), and on the Illinois-Wisconsin border up through Milwaukee on the lakeshore.
I took the counties that had 97% or greater (from 2008) turnout and dialed them back to 94%, and got 67,000 votes right off the bat.
I didn't even look at Sheboygan or Ozaukee, even though there was vote fraud hanky-panky reported in Sheboygan County:
http://www.facebook.com/SheboyganGop.passionate.pachyderms
http://mediatrackers.org/2012/11/06/federal-job-corps-vans-used-to-bus-voters-in-wisconsin/
So, you are arguing that it isn’t possible that independents and more suburban voters became less enthusiastic for Obama, while the poor minority masses in the big cities still loved him about as much as they did in 2008?
The entire point of the Obama campaign was to give up independents, and instead play a “base election” strategy, where they spent hundreds of millions of dollars targeting messages to that base, and then running get-out-the-vote.
Sure, a lot of us were seeing the independents swing over, and the general lack of enthusiasm, and held out hope. But having a child in an inner city college now, I got to see first-hand what the DNC was up to, and I have no problem believing that they managed to get turnout in their base areas in the cities that matched the 2008 numbers.
Every time my daughter and I walked through the campus, at least one person asked if she was registered. The weekend before the election, they were going door-to-door in her dorm, double-checking everybody and making sure people had rides to the polls.
Your linked articles actually give you the information about the GOTV work. I think some people get hung up on the “Illinois bus” use, as if bringing a bus from another state to use for GOTV is proof that they are busing people in from a neighboring state.
I don’t discount the possibility that someone ran a big-ticket scam with out-of-state voters. But we need actual evidence, or else it’s just conjecture.
It’s almost two weeks now, and every day there are a dozen threads, and they all just repeat the same inferences, and nobody has got any actual facts that are useful.
Why couldn’t ONE enterprising person get into a group of these voters, to see if they actually were bussed back to their own state?
What I’m saying is there’s no way they bussed 200,000 people from Illinois. If you were trying to sell a 20,000 vote fraud, I’d entertain the notion.
BTW, if fraud is so easy, why isn’t anybody in the GOP doing it? Well, the democrats are convinced we were, and they have the same threads we have, except about how GOP people were doing what they are being accused of in our threads.
And they have no evidence either.