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To: Jim Noble
So you're willing to continue to lose elections, hoping for the right time for the perfect party to come in and create perfection here on earth?

I could say to count me out but at this point, I do not expect to ever see another honest presidential election in my lifetime. Between the 47 percenters who are very happy with the current arrangment, those who commit fraud and those who are willing to ignore it and those who believe they are too moral to vote for someone they consider too flawed, we are doomed. I have no illusions of any of this ever mattering again.

We could have lived to fight another day but our side is too fractured to even try.

25 posted on 11/23/2012 8:56:24 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
So you're willing to continue to lose elections, hoping for the right time for the perfect party to come in and create perfection here on earth? I could say to count me out but at this point, I do not expect to ever see another honest presidential election in my lifetime. Between the 47 percenters who are very happy with the current arrangment, those who commit fraud and those who are willing to ignore it and those who believe they are too moral to vote for someone they consider too flawed, we are doomed. I have no illusions of any of this ever mattering again. We could have lived to fight another day but our side is too fractured to even try.

In that case, stick with the GOP. I'm not trying to be rude, but you don't appear to be the kind of person I would want to attract.

27 posted on 11/23/2012 8:59:10 AM PST by possum john
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
So you're willing to continue to lose elections

It's not a matter of whether or not I'm willing. I wasn't WILLING for Romney to lose. I wasn't WILLING for McCain to lose. I wasn't even WILLING for GWB to be nominated, for heaven's sake.

The issue is gaining understanding of our present circumstances (bad and getting worse), their causes, and where they will inevitably lead.

We (or our children) have to be ready when the end of the present era comes.

29 posted on 11/23/2012 9:03:28 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I want to stay optimistic, but your analysis is right on -

‘Between the 47 percenters who are very happy with the current arrangment, those who commit fraud and those who are willing to ignore it and those who believe they are too moral to vote for someone they consider too flawed, we are doomed.’

Converting the 47% will take a miracle.
Perhaps we can try eliminate/reduce election fraud first? That way AT LEAST WE HAVE A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FILED WHERE MAYBE EVEN A GOP CANDIDATE CAN HAVE A CHANCE.
Then we work at changing the GOP to be more conservative.

We need to make the best use of the resources we have.
The socialists/marxists/commies change the Dem instead of starting a new party.
Why can’t we change the current GOP back to the GOP of the good old days?
Sneak attack is better than open confrontation - change them subtly rather than openly challenging them with a ‘new’ party just might work better.


50 posted on 11/23/2012 12:13:31 PM PST by chrisnj
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