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To: ilgipper
not to think both happened in great numbers

Yes, they overplayed their hand. The poor showing of bammy and biden at the debates were a disaster and they knew it along w/poor showing at their rallys.

14 posted on 12/08/2012 7:42:29 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; ilgipper
ilgipper posted...."could be a lot of other reasons why 2012 was lost (other than voter fraud or illegals voting), but it is foolish not to think both happened in great numbers......"

In any assesment of the size and strength of latino voting blocs---we must factor in Mexican agit/prop giving ordedrs to La Raza and numerous groups infiltrating the US----an organized Fifth Column pushing the Third World agenda.

The taste of reconquista gets stronger and stronger. The conniving, wily latinos know their extortionate demands will be met----but only when vote-crazed politicans clobberd by latino pressure groups----accede to Third World demands.

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Mexico is pushing north at a furious space---salivating for reconquista and lusting for US foreign aid billions. "Pressure groups" are being pushed over the border--- financed and coached by the Third World. The wailing and whining propaganda is tailor-made for vote-crazed US politicians who will do ANYTHING for a couple of votes.

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Through massive vote fraud, a propagandist media, and compliant courts, Obama won without firing a shot. I will never forget that evil smile he flashed when he came onstage election night.

The sinister Obamatons stole the election--targeting the all-important 5 swing states (w/ Republican Governors in many of them---and Repub Secy's of State who determine voter fraud)........Mincing, grinning Romney never looked more stupid than when he conceded---he remained duped and sap-happy til the end......like McDumbo/McCain.

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It's now crystal clear why Obama seemingly "screwed-up" at the crucial first prez debate---giving Romney a huge opening (or so it seemed). O's debate screwup was no accident----he said he was "being polite" to Romney---b/c he knew the crooked election was in the bag for him.

Ohaha and his cunning, sinister crew knew then that O would win...... no matter what Romney did or said. B/c the WH orders had already gone out----their massive voter fraud operation was already in place.

We've seen some pretty shady characters in the political game---but no campaign has produced the likes of the Chi/Mob con artists running Ohaha's sleazy game.

David Axelrod has shown himself to be The Most Sinister Character ever to surface in politics. Axel, Valerie whatsherface, Rahm Emanuel, m/m Ohaha---are the kingpins of crooked Chi/politics---they are very practiced at fixing elections. They know all the sleazy tricks.

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US governance---and our sacrosanct rule of law----are predicated on the assumption that an elected US president would be a patriot, who would honor his oath of office and uphold the US Constitution, and would defend the interests of America and Americans first and foremost.......

Obama will have none of it---he will undermine the US Constitution and degrade and diminish Americans, and our interests. Obama cannot be trusted to exercise the kind of authority given a leader in the ways the founders intended.

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RAY OF HOPE However, I do believe the founders structured our govt wisely -----taking into consideration the tyranny they had escaped from---from tyrants like Obama.

Remember that many countries have been invaded and endured tyrants---but when cultures are strong --as ours is--there are built-in safeguards to repel those villains who seek to change it.

47 posted on 12/09/2012 5:24:04 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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