Posted on 01/02/2013 2:23:57 PM PST by butterdezillion
Notice that she never used the word “legally valid”. And she never says that SHE verifies anything - only that the record “verifies”, which means swears. Even a non-valid record swears that what’s on it is true. What she is telling us is that the record claims a Hawaii birth. Just like Onaka verified the existence of a record which “indicates” (claims) a Honolulu birth. That statement is just as true for a non-valid record as for a valid one.
So Fukino isn’t verifying anything there.
But even if she WAS, I’ll ask you the same question as I asked Lurker: Which are you going to believe, the unsworn comment of the same liar who had the birth index altered to include non-valid records, or the sworn certification of the official legally responsible to tell the truth? Which kind of statement generally has more weight in legal matters?
And why DO you suppose the HDOH altered their 1960-64 birth index to include non-valid records, AND switched at least 3 1961 BC#’s around?
For that matter, why do you suppose that Fukino had the HDOH Administrative Rules illegally hidden from the public until a new “unofficial copy” of them was *created* THE DAY THAT A RESPONSE TO MY UIPA REQUEST WAS DUE, a year after the 2008 election was over - even though OIP Director Cathy Takase claimed the HDOH had a version of those rules posted online for her access all along? Why did a new “copy” have to be created and posted the day my UIPA Request was due after I had contacted the lieutenant governor’s office about the illegality of the rules not being posted?
By the time this is done, there will be nobody at that HDOH office who has a shred of credibility, except perhaps Onaka, who I believe has put out the red flags to let the world know there’s a bunch of crap being done by the HDOH itself. The alteration of the birth index and at least 3 BC#’s is just one small part of the crookedness in that office.
Thanks for the heads up. Unbelievable how all the cases couldn’t be heard because there was supposedly no “standing”, and then when standing was guaranteed the judges just waved their hand and said the issue had to go away.
Banana republic type stuff.
Also notice that the unsworn Fuddy speaking to the press attests to the authenticity of the copies the HDOH gave Obama - not to the authenticity of the PDF that Obama’s people posted, which Onaka confirmed as a forgery and indicated as having information that was NOT “identical to” the information in the original record.
I think you mean dog and pony show. Bread and circuses is what Obama just got the kulaks to keep paying for.
Good point. I sit corrected.
The general and field officer corps have already been pretty much replaced with “reliable” people. Some of those “suicides” the military is so concerned about have been officers.
Second, Fukino has no statutory to declare anyone to be a "natural-born American citizen." It's a meaningless term anyway, because in this country, we are U.S. citizens, not "American" citizens. Thanks for helping to prove the point.
Butter,
I believe the fix is in and has been from the get go (ummmhhh...duh).
But the only way I believe this issue would even remotely stand a chance of being heard (but still dismissed - since it’s rigged) is for a FEDERAL CRIMINAL DEFENDANT to bring the issue forward.
Now, they put Col. Lt. Lakin in prison for six months - they know what they did - but someone facing a long sentence or even the death penalty might finally just force their hand. They should be made to own it.
It’s amazing it hasn’t already been attempted but most lawyers for criminal defendants seem to be bleeding heart liberals who would rather their client ..XXX.. than disturb the rule of the usurping boy king of the bath-house.
So if this attempt to get congress and the electoral college fail, maybe someone should start contacting defense attorneys.
Placemark and hope to communicate with you tomorrow.
Thank you for clarifying your thoughts, you made a (Perfect Point of light). Natural Law is fundamental to our survival, IMHO. I just hope we can avoid the pain of separation.
This is C&P’ed from http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html and shows the procedures for requesting a letter of verification. Note that it says they will verify the existence of the record AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES TO BE VERIFIED RELATING TO THE VITAL EVENT. Ken Bennett’s letter of request says, “In addition to the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify....” Bennett did not exclude any items from the attached form (the application form) so he is clearly submitting it ALL, and according to the HDOH’s own statement, they will verify ANY information submitted for verification.
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How to Apply for Certified Copies of Vital Records
All applications requesting certified copies of birth, death, civil union, marriage, and divorce certificates must generally be made in writing (application forms may be downloaded from this site - see below). Requests may also be placed for birth and marriage certificates on a limited basis through the Internet (www.ehawaii.gov/ohsm). Telephone, FAX, or e-mail requests are not accepted.
The Office of Health Status Monitoring only has divorce records from July 1951 to December 2002. All other divorce records are kept in the court where the divorce took place.
Fees for certified copies of birth, death, civil union, marriage, and divorce certificates are identical:
$10.00 for the first copy of each certificate, and
$4.00 for each additional copy of the same certificate ordered at the same time.
There is an additional fee for requests made through the Internet as follows:
$1.50 for a request of one (the first) copy of each certificate, if the requested certificate is found, or for the cost of conducting the search, if the requested certificate is not found, and
$0.25 for each additional copy of the same certificate ordered at the same time.
Fees may be paid by cash (except for applications made by postal mail), money order, certified check, or cashier’s check - make money order and checks payable to the State Department of Health.
PERSONAL CHECKS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.
Fees must be paid by a charge to a credit card for requests made through the Internet.
All fees for certified copies are payable in advance and nonrefundable. If no record is found after a search is conducted, the fees are retained to cover the cost of the search.
Once an order has been received and processed, a $10.00 fee will be charged for any request to make changes to the order.
Apply In Person
Walk-in service is available:
Days - Monday through Friday (excluding holidays)
Hours - 7:45 a.m. to 2:30 p.m.
Location - Room 103 (1st floor) of the Health Department building, 1250 Punchbowl Street (corner of Beretania and Punchbowl Streets)
When applying in person, the applicant must show a valid government-issued photo ID, such as a State ID, driver’s license, etc.
Certified copies are usually not issued on the day the application is made. Same-Day service may be provided upon presentation of written documentation establishing the need for urgency. Certified copies will normally be available for pick-up about 10 working days after the request is approved. The pick-up time may be extended for records that are very old, because the search to locate the record may take longer, or in the process of being filed, because the official record is still being created.
Application forms are available in the building’s lobby area and should be filled in prior to coming to the counter in Room 103.
Apply by Mail
Send mail-in applications to the following address:
State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Issuance/Vital Statistics Section
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 96801
When applying by mail, the applicant must include a photocopy of his/her government-issued photo ID, such as a State ID, driver’s license, etc.
PERSONAL CHECKS WILL BE REJECTED AND RETURNED WITH THE APPLICATION TO THE APPLICANT.
Certified copies will normally be sent out within 6-8 weeks after receipt and approval of the application. The return time may be extended for records that are very old, because the search to locate the record may take longer, or in the process of being filed, because the official record is still being created.
What Information You Should Be Prepared to Provide
An applicant/requestor must provide the information needed to 1) establish his/her direct and tangible interest in the record and 2) locate the desired record. This will normally include:
Applicant’s name, address, and telephone number(s);
Applicant’s relationship to the person named on the certificate;
Reason why you are requesting the certificate;
Full name(s) as listed on the certificate;
The certificate’s file number (if known);
Month, day, and year of the event; and
City or town and the island where the event occurred.
For birth certificates, also provide the full name of the father and the full maiden name of the mother.
If you are applying for a certificate on behalf of someone else, you must provide an original letter signed by that person authorizing the release of their certificate to you and a photocopy of that person’s valid government-issued photo ID.
Valid government-issued photo ID.
Letters of Verification
Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/civil union/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.
Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.
The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.
Application Forms
Application forms are available in a fillable Adobe Acrobat portable document format (PDF).
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Download Request For Certified Copy of Birth Record
Download Request For Certified Copy of Death Record
Download Request For Certified Copy of Civil Union Record (Not Form Fillable)
Download Request For Certified Copy of Marriage Record
Download Request For Certified Copy of Divorce Record
Further Information and Assistance
If you require further information about applying for certified copies of vital records or want to check on the status of an accepted request for certified copies of vital records, call (808) 586-4539 or (808) 586-4542 during regular business hours.
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