Posted on 01/07/2013 4:29:17 PM PST by upsdriver
With the right leadership — leadership unafraid to rip the media and the President a new one — a new Party would take off like a bullet.
The problem is, everyone on our side is afraid of not being ‘respectful.’ The President’s opposition gets treated with nothing but disdain and lies, and they still want to make nicey-nice and rise above it. The days of ‘rising above it’ are over. Nobody in the nation notices anymore or cares when you ‘rise above it.’ It is time to get into the trenches and kick butt.
If conservatives(me being one of them) leave the Republicans, and moderate Dems move to the Republicans, then the 3 parties Dems, Repub, and unnamed Conservative will be about the same size.
Okay, that could just possibly win an election. But when you get down to deciding what to do, you’ll have problems. Not everybody is dissatisfied for the same reasons. Some of the objections to “politics as usual” overlap, but many don’t, and those differences will set different groups against each other.
Because the Republicans of the 50's, 60's and 70's were so conservative, right? The GOP of old was nothing more than a squishy punching bag for the Democrats. Ike was fine with almost all FDR's socialist policies and tax rates, Nixon gave us the EPA and price controls, etc. Even in the 80's Reagan was the exception. The GOP didn't actually become conservative till Newt came along. The reality is the current Republican House, GOP Governors and statehouses may just be more conservative than they've been in modern history.
In many ways conservatives have already won many of the intraparty fights. The problem is the majority of the country is moving to the left and we don't, as a party, have anything like what the Democrats have to drive our message. The Democrats have a dinosaur media that is still king and has dropped even pretending to be balanced, they have seized the entire education infrastructure, they completely dominate the entertainment establishment so overwhelmingly that conservatives have to keep mum or risk their careers, etc. It isn't within the GOP that conservatives have the most problems, it is with the public at large. We've almost completely lost the culture war and the larger political arguments of our day.
Agreed!
The GOP does not want us.
I don’t believe any party - old or new - will stop the ongoing decline of US economic power, slavery to debt, or its movement toward a totalitarian existence. The US is fading and Asia is rising. It is the way of history.
You still have a brief window to move money out of the country before capital controls are put into place.
You have time to make plans to give yourself options.
Most will not. They never do.
I am not being facetious.
I have a Sarah Heath amongst my ancestors
a 5th great grandmother
Great Cheverell, Wiltshire, England 1751-1834
She married John Dunford who died in 1845 when he was 96
I have a copy of his death certificate
:)
absolutely no need for a third party...it is time for the Republicans to identify themselves....we all know that the Democrats are liberals, socialists, communists but the Repubs are split between RINO’s and conservatives. The real Repubs are the tea party or at least those inclined toward their views.Don’t even think of the possibility that a strong conservative movement is dead or else we are all dead. This country cannot survive with the Democrats in charge....can’t do it. We cannot continue to take from those who achieve and give to those who contribute nothing to society....it cannot continue. When 47% of the people in this country pay no federal income tax, many pay no payroll tax (FICA), they have no horse in the race...who do you think they may be inclined to vote for???? I heard a Democrat say on talking heads T.V. that the American people voted to raise the taxes on the top 2% of the American public......could that have been because almost noone is in that top tier???? I will never vote to raise taxes on someone else to save myself a buck....talk about unfair....and you know that fairness is the theme of this bunch of idiots.
I don’t believe we can rearrange the deck chairs to have hope for anymore for the Republican clone of the Democrat Party.
Just read PP is doing one abortion every 94 seconds in their affiliated clinics. THAT is why the USA is headed fast track, for the fires of HELL.
The R’s would like to change the subject. I’m out, until they sink. Third Party means we lose standing up, rather than losing even if when we win.
How very interesting!!!!!!
why on earth should that make any difference...we have set a precident you know.!!!
I can only go back 5 more generations with my Heaths and my family line doesnt meet up with that of our curent Sarah Heath Palin..
Mine were all in Wiltshire back to the original one.. Richard..1596.....
Hers in another county...
But it is cool
LOL
What magic fairy dust are you sprinkling on this new party that is going to make Democrats get along with Republicans any more than they do now? You're just talking pie in the sky here. Democrats believe in more government, why would they suddenly join this new party that is presumably even more conservative than the existing GOP? Or is this new party going to be more liberal than the existing GOP to attract these Democrats? Why would conservatives want to be part of that?
Reclaim our birthright? What part of the Democrat coalition talks like this or has any interest in voting for these reasons? Blacks? Hispanics? Gays? Chronically unemployable? People that pay no federal taxes but collect freebies? This is just wishful thinking on your part. Democrats and people of the left believe the answer to our problems is government, those of us on the right do not. There is no reconciling that within some new party.
They associate the whole bunch as self-serving corrupt greedy bastards. (and they'd be right)
Politicians are politicians. Some new party isn't going to make them magically more honest. There are lots of 3rd party's and none of them have made politics any better. In all of these 3rd party's is the same infighting you'd find anywhere else. Some new party full of Republicans and Democrats determined to get along would immediately break down into fights between left and right, complete with all the same intrigue and politics.
Heath, Jr. has to be thinking that when people like Sarah can not run and succeed on a Republican ticket, that it is high time for a party where she and others like her can run, unencumbered by the Establishment.
The Libertarians have some energy, nerve and a pretty darn good audience. Much of what they are FOR resonated with both R’s and D’s.
Until abortion is stopped, we’re doomed by Heaven, regardless, and will sink like a stone in the sea.
You betcha it is!
The party that recognizes that government tyranny has put American productivity under seige. It has enslaved people to imported energy and junk from China, and if the path continues, to grossly overpriced food and meat -- government regulation strangles enterprise and innovation among indivdiual Americans with all kinds of laws -- licensing and permit laws, zoning laws, labor laws, health laws, expensive and ludicrous safety laws, laws that outlaw manufacture and productivity. Now, environmental restrictions and tyranny threaten our food and energy production, regulations that are aided by confiscatory inheritance laws. Americans are headed toward being outlaws for producing America's crops, seafood, and meat.
I'm for the party that understands how destructive nanny government is, and exists to stand against it whether Republican or Democrat.
count me in
Conservatives, including myself left the Republican Party. (I still call myself an Independent Conservative to this day.)
So #1 - All Tea Party Conservatives Bolt the Party ... been there done that.
2. Form a new Party or take over an existing 3rd Party. Again, been there done that, it was called the REFORM Party and we were talking about the DEBT and DEFICIT long, long before the Tea Party was ever a gleam in someone's eyes. And that was when the Debt was below $5T.
3. Organize at the Grass Roots Level. Again, been there done that. It's alot of work -- WORTH IT in my book, but it's not enough just to organize and get out the vote. Comprehensive PLATFORMS to deal with today's issues are required. Here the Reform Party ran on a single theme: It's the DEBT, stupid. It didn't work. (Maybe it will now, who knows.)
Here it also has to be a SUSTAINED effort. Simply getting on the ballot and maintaining ballot access (getting >2% of the vote in elections) doesn't cut it. If it did, the Green Party would be a dominant party by now. (Well, maybe....)
4. Charismatic Leaders, think outside the box to Actors, Talk Show people, yadda, yadda yadda. Your point's valid, any new party will need to be media savvy. Lord knows the STUPID Party (R's) are the furthest thing from media savvy one could find on this earth. I'm thinking someone exactly like THIS GUYis how the next SUCCESSFUL Presidential Candidate is going to need to be like. The sad reality is, this "culture" we live in likes it when someone "gets in the face" of another and takes the fight to someone. Nice guys really do finish last. If a new party is going to be successful, the guy in the video above is how he's going to need to present himself, IMO.
Finally, I'm not dissing your ideas, simply stating that it was tried in the past and that mistakes were made that can - and should - be learned from. (Please take the above comments in that spirit.)
Peace.
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