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Definitely needed to be heard, especially after the recent Giglio incident.
1 posted on 01/11/2013 11:03:16 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

I once knew an arsonist who had the same problem.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 11:04:28 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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The Bible consistently prohibits any sexual activity outside of marriage.


This is one reason the homosexual lobby is so hell-bent on getting homosexual marriage legitimized.

Homosexuality is one of the few sins that people are seriously arguing is “ok” and should be accepted as normal. After all, we don’t have “adulterer’s pride” parades or “liars” parades.

My take is that many are called but few are chosen. Fact is, not everyone is going to accept his free gift. And I approach the whole thing from an Ecclesiastes perspective (without the grace of Christ’s blood, man’s lot is to eat and drink and enjoy the fruits of his labor and then die, as do other animals). And I see the death of a non-believer as described here:

http://www.jeremyandchristine.com/articles/eternal.php

Our job is to present the gospel - with all of its ramifications. Their job is to accept or reject it.


4 posted on 01/11/2013 11:11:26 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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I appreciate the honesty in this essay. What I might add is that it is crucially important to look carefully at the 4 Last Things: Death, Judgement, Hell, Heaven. By studying what Christ has told us about these 4 things, we get a clear
picture of what our purpose here is, which is applicable
to one with homosexual inclinations as it is to one with
fornicating/adulterous inclinations. When we see what hell truly
is, we will live so as to avoid it. We will long for a death that
finds us united to Christ, so that His judgement will be one wherein
He recognizes us as one of His own. And when we contemplate eternity
and heaven, it will make our tribulations here mere bumps on the road.
5 posted on 01/11/2013 11:19:34 AM PST by jobim (.)
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While I believe that a full realization of the consequences of sin is necessary for one to remain true the the Gospel of Christ during the promised difficult times awaiting the repentant Christian, often a “Turn-or-Burn” response to the seeker can be detrimental to their initial inquiries. The scripture presented and the manner in which it was offered seems to be loving and on target. I would caution however that using the “Hundred-fold return” phrase is easily (and often) misapplied by Faux-Christian hucksters seeking to monetarily create a “Pay-to-Play” or “Give-to-Receive” version of the Gospel.
6 posted on 01/11/2013 11:20:29 AM PST by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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Interesting conundrum for the Christian-centered community of Freepers who happen to be in same-sex relationships and who are otherwise conservative in their political views. Do we drive them away being fellow patriot gun owner/operators, conservative voters; and fellow Texans, or do we ignore and do no harm? There are many of us that worship Jesus Christ and yet ignore the rest of y’all that seem to want to send our gay s to the gas chamber. Get over it. The world isn’t as tidy as you had hoped. Concentrate on defeating the real enemies of freedom. BHO for starters.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 11:23:37 AM PST by CARTOUCHE (Miss me yet?)
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Yes. It’s not someone’s fault if they have lesbian or homosexual inclinations. But putting them into practice is always sinful, and then it becomes their choice and their fault.

Sometimes God gives us great difficulties, of one kind or another, but with His grace we are always given the chance to overcome them or turn them to our greater good, and thus to grow stronger. If this preacher can use his own weakness of homosexual inclinations as he does here, then they are in practice transformed by grace from a flaw into a kind of gift—making him, as here, a more convincing apostle to the LGBT community. And also, a reminder of the distinction of the vast difference between homosexual inclinations and homosexual practices.


8 posted on 01/11/2013 11:25:58 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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The Bible is consistent in prohibiting homosexual practice. Jesus himself condemns "sexual immorality" (Mark 7:21, for example). Though Jesus does not directly mention homosexual activity, he does include it. The Greek word we translate as "sexual immorality" (porneia, from which we get the word pornography) is a catch-all term for any sexual activity outside heterosexual marriage.

Sam Allberry has a problem accepting
Yah'shua as the WORD of YHvH.

Yah'shua is all of the WORD of YHvH.

He is Not just the "new" Testament
but is also the Tanach.

The author seems to have a superficial view of the Holy WORD of G-d.

Throughout the Holy WORD of G-d, marriage is a metaphor
for the relationship of YHvH and his "called" people.
In the Tanach, YHvH is the Bridegroom and Israel is His Wife.
Later "called" gentiles are referred to a Bride.

A clear reading of Romans 1 in context beginning at
verse 16 shows that those who should know YHvH and his creation
but reject Him are given over to a perverse relationship in direct
opposition to the metaphor of marriage.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
9 posted on 01/11/2013 11:27:11 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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All I need to know about how Jesus would deal with homosexuals is in John 8:11.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 11:30:32 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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There are many answers to the question of why a man might want to give up his gay partner.

Being able to live life without a sore bottom all the time might be one of them.


11 posted on 01/11/2013 11:35:17 AM PST by lurk
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I explain to gays that its the same for heterosexuals who are addicted to porn or have a wondering eye. Even though they might be married, if they lusted after another person in their mind, they’ve sinned.


12 posted on 01/11/2013 11:36:10 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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The same way it can be good news to liars, adulterers, thieves, and everyone else; as long as they stop sinning, turn towards Jesus, and repent.


16 posted on 01/11/2013 11:40:18 AM PST by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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Leaving anything cherished behind is profoundly hard. But Jesus is always worth it.


How come sexual temptation and sin has come to be named a “cherished” lifestyle?

That delusion or deceipt is what will have to be healed for people who have fallen for it. There is tons of medical and social evidence that the gay lifestyle produces terrible consequences - not something worthy of cherishing.

Temptation and sinfulness is woven into everyone’s experience but sane (Christian or not) people don’t relate to it as something “cherished.” That is a terrible lie intended to protect and nuture self destruction.


20 posted on 01/11/2013 11:51:16 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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The Good News is that if they “go and sin no more” they will be forgiven.


29 posted on 01/11/2013 12:26:56 PM PST by running_dog_lackey
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It ain't just 'the Gospel'.

Biology sentences unrepentant queers to genetic extinction.

32 posted on 01/11/2013 12:58:31 PM PST by tomkat (HELL NO)
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I believe you should have led this man to Christ for salvation. Get him to the cross, burial and resurrection of our Lord. Then if he has truly turned to Jesus then there will eventually be a change in him.
We were never commissioned to change mankind, but to teach and live the life representing Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit will do the work in him. That is the power of God.


36 posted on 01/11/2013 1:15:26 PM PST by Ramonne
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I had explained, as carefully and graciously as I could, that Jesus upheld and expanded the wider biblical stance on sexuality, that the only context for sexual activity is heterosexual marriage. Following Jesus would mean seeking to live under his word, in this area as in any other.

As "graciously" as you could, when you dared add to the requirements Jesus gave?

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ALL the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
- Matthew 22:34-40

Oh, but of course, what Matthew left out of Jesus' words about damning homosexuality, YOUR Bible genius understands should have been included.

In the same way that when Luke quoted Jesus saying sell everything you have and give thee money to the poor, YOUR Bible genius understands He didn't mean YOU.

You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'" And he said, "All these I have observed from my youth." And when Jesus heard it, he said to him, "One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
- Luke 18:20-22

Gay marriage is one thing (which Christians screw up anyway by allowing the State to be the legitimizer of Holy Matrimony instead of the Church). But - teaching homosexuals they are banned from Jesus' love and redemption solely because of their homosexuality is a whole 'nother thing. You RUN where angels fear to tread - literally "damning the fags" while "keeping your money."

Well you might get a lot of chuckles from the good old boys, but Jesus isn't smiling.

And one more thing - do you actually think you can screw with Jesus' teaching without payback?

When you damn people in Jesus' name who Jesus did NOT damn, they turn against you. And while you laugh - they vote. Look at the White House while you're laughing. Look at Obamacare while you're laughing. Kiss your guns goodbye while you're laughing. Did it EVER occur to you that the reason the Left might have so much power in this country is BECAUSE the hypocrisy of Christians have driven them AWAY from the teachings of Jesus that WOULD have reined in their madness and hatred?

What, you think Jesus is so IRRELEVENT that this can't be true?

:: spit ::

But I agree with you on one thing - there WILL be a Judgement Day, and we WILL face Jesus.

And He's going to want to know WHY YOU drove His children AWAY from Him.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
- Matthew 7:3-5

But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
-Matthew 18:6

40 posted on 01/11/2013 1:36:02 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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The author’s homosexual friend probably called his 15-year relationship “committed,” when in truth, it was probably rife with dozens of anonymous side “johns” he met at bars, rest stops, and Crate and Barrel.

The author should have gently explored in this direction.


41 posted on 01/11/2013 1:38:41 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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I've read the many replies to this article/post. Some are good, some are very good, some are downright inhospitable, some are "just so wrong."

I will say only this:

1st Corinthians 3:1-8, "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

And this:

John 12:32, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

All we can do is present the Gospel to the homosexual community, the correct, pure and unblemished truth of God's Word. It is the job of the Holy Ghost to draw them to Jesus.

And please, don't call them gay. "Gay" was once a good term used to denote someone as being happy. Homosexuals are not "happy," homosexuality is a perverse lifestyle, one condemned by the Word of God.

That's my two cents worth. Like it or not, deal with it.

47 posted on 01/11/2013 2:44:53 PM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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