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To: butterdezillion

So if Klayman asked Dr. Onaka to verify each of the boxes and Dr. Onaka verified that box 23 was blank, won’t that mean the original BC was not altered? Even if Dr. Onaka doesn’t say they are identical.


75 posted on 01/19/2013 7:19:30 AM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

No, because we still know there’s some reason that Onaka couldn’t verify that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”.

It could be that there is nothing in box 23 but there are LATE and ALTERED stamps, because it could be that the HDOH gave Obama this fake BC even though no evidence was ever offered to get Obama a complete BC before that. (Abercrombie did say to a Star-Bulletin columnist that his investigative team had found something “actually written down” in the archives. That doesn’t sound like there was ANY complete BC in the normal places a person would look - which was what caught Mike Evans’ attention, got him to call Abercrombie, and resulted in the on-air statements by Evans that Abercrombie had told him there’s no BC for Obama in Hawaii.)

It would be unlawful, but the folks at the HDOH office that are not in Onaka’s office have already been caught doing a bunch of unlawful stuff - including Fuddy, and she is the one with the authority to approve the creation of a falsified BC on law enforcement grounds. That would explain why Palafox was disposed of in the middle of all this dust-up over Abercrombie’s statements to Mike Evans - and replaced with Fuddy, who promptly instituted an unlawful policy refusing to allow people to see ALL the “contents” of their birth certificate, as required by HRS 338-13).

If Fuddy did that, it would be up to Onaka to make sure that no certified copy was issued for that BC which was obtained through (Fuddy’s) fraud. Given the circumstances, the best that Onaka could do may have been to put the LATE and ALTERED stamps on the BC so that even if the BC was certified it was not certified as VALID. And he could put red flags in his certifying elements so that even if Obama’s people C&P’ed them into a forgery (as they did), the red flags would still show - the TXE in the statement, and the smiley face in the signature. That smiley face in the signature is why Mike Zullo turned from thinking the skepticism was crazy and instead started seriously thinking that this could really be a forgery. The red flag did its job.

Like I said before, at this point another verification would only get Onaka to contradict himself at best, which is still reason to audit the records.

Sort of like the objector in KS being threatened into withdrawing the objection is supposed to be automatic grounds to keep the objection alive - AND to investigate who was making the threats and why. The threats strongly suggest that all is NOT well and needs further scrutiny. At least that’s my understanding, and it fits basic logic if we’re going to keep the mob from controlling everybody in the country.


76 posted on 01/19/2013 8:49:09 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: 4Zoltan

I should also add that if there is nothing in box 23 in the real BC, as I suggested as a possibility in my last comment, Onaka could still justify refusing to say that the “information contained in” the White House image is identical to the “information contained in” the real BC.... because he interpreted “information” to include all the substance (including LATE and ALTERED stamps) and not just the “items”.

If so, he could still say that the information that’s actually IN the White House image “matches”, because the LATE and ALTERED stamps aren’t in the White House image and thus weren’t being asked about until the question of “identical” came up. As long as he certified only that the information actually contained in the White House image matches, he wouldn’t be lying.


77 posted on 01/19/2013 8:55:44 AM PST by butterdezillion
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