Posted on 01/15/2013 11:02:48 AM PST by WXRGina
“ex post facto laws “
Actually, gun control as they intend it is ex post facto. I am already in possession of the gun and they want to make possession of the gun a crime.
Like Ms. Publius said, it would not be ex post facto, because the law will be to “turn in your gun.” You won’t be committing a “crime” until you refuse to turn in your gun, because you would not be charged for formerly possessing the gun, but for not turning it in.
“The Dick Act of 1902”
What a coincidence!
None of that matters anyway, because the answer will be “NO”.
Yep. It’s NO.
It sounds like we should support the Dick Act. I don’t want to go around Dick-less.
I'm with the author on this, but for technical reasons only. Criminalizing your possession of one or more firearms that you already possess is not an ex post facto law. It is not your past possession that is criminalized but the ongoing possession. That hypothetical law is a gross violation of the Second Amendment, it is probably a violation of the Fifth Amendment prohibition of being deprived of property and on taking "for public use" without just compensation, and it is certainly a violation of the Ninth and Tenth Amendment limits on the power of the federal government, but it's not an ex post facto law. I would still hope that over a hundred million households would ignore the silliness from DC and follow the Constitution rather than a demand from a petty tyrant, but ex post facto is not one of the many flaws in such a command.
“because the law will be to “turn in your gun.” “
No, the law will be “possession of”, not “turn in”. Besidesm “turn in” also then gets into other issues of being paid market value.
I can see you point, however, it is moot because I will not be turning in anything.
Sorry, having a Beavis and Butthead moment.
It is still not an ex post facto law, and I understand that you, like many of us, will say NO to being disarmed.
There is no longer a Constitution and rule of law. There is King Obama and his communists empire and America is under his law. He is acting as a dictator and it is working. Nothing the Senate or House can do to stop him except impeachment. That will never happen.
The left has its sights on firearms owned legally by law-abiding citizens. It knows there are millions of guns possessed by violent criminals, and deliberately chooses to leave the guns in their hands.
I want to see the inner city gun trafficking stopped. Severe penalties, including capital punishment for trafficking.
Never happen. Will be called racist.
The author confuses the Militia as being a symbol of freedom and use of the 2nd amendment. Yet, they were also part of the problem.
Various state Militia were conscripted and enforced Slavery. Slavery was part of the ultimate form of gun control. Slaves or conscripted labor in most cases couldn't carry or had to be registered and licensed.
If you want to see what a Gov't license and gun database would be. Think a society where a Gov't force[Militia] would come to your house regularly, inspect your weapons, arms and home.
It's also called the Militia Act of 1903 (or 1902, couldn't they make up their minds?), so maybe we should go with that.
Agreed, but it’s good to bear in mind that it’s distracting to be inaccurate and casts doubt on the rest; e.g. BAFT is BATF, or more recently BATFE. Never been BAFT.
Obama’s ‘Dick’ will never stand. Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk
As a person living in a land (Canada) where ownership of guns is not guaranteed, I find the method of attack on gun ownership in the US rather curious. It seems the enemies of gun ownership are intent on punishing and stripping rights from lawful citizens.
That to me seems like an odd battleground to do battle on. I am not a gun owner, but the only rational argument that ever had appeal to me was when gun ownership resulted in accidental deaths. Meaning gun owners who don’t take care to store their arms which results in a family member injuring themselves. If and where that happens I see that as a true tragedy which perhaps deserves attention.
Responsible gun owners teach their kids respect for guns, and when they’re old enough, proper gun handling. Accidental shootings from home guns are not an epidemic in America.
A gun that is stored away—and worse, unloaded—is a useless gun. Guns should be easy to reach at a moment’s notice.
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