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1 posted on 01/24/2013 6:20:55 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary:The Founders had discussions about the role of the national government, and it wasn't to boss the states around.

2 posted on 01/24/2013 6:24:52 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a YouTube generation? Put it on YouTube!)
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Hear me clearly: Who cares?

Boehner and the R’s need to re-educate and they’re not doing it, not making arguments. Arguing on the basis of founding fathers is tin ear at best. The networks, the teachers, all those in charge of the media and schools (hence, a la Marx) hate our founding fathers. The language to re-educate needs to change. No, I don’t have the answers, but the drivel of preaching to the choir is past time...we’re in post-America now and to get back to something better takes new tactics, new methods, new people (i.e., Boehner has to go, but he’s the horse we have at the moment)...let’s see if they can kick out McConnell.

I’m not hating your post, I’m just tired of the preaching to the choir stuff...it doesn’t move the football down the field as we already know this stuff.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 6:41:11 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To have progressivism you have to have some goal that you're progressing towards or something that you want more of and a way to get more of it. The founders didn't really think that way. They opened the way to individual iniative, rather than collectivist pursuit of a common goal.

Of course, they saw the country becoming more settled and may have understood that would mean changes. Some of them believed in setting up public institutions -- like a national bank or university -- but there wasn't quite the same idea of improving humanity through government action that came along later.

I'd say it took the industrial revolution and the philosophy of Hegel to bring progressivism into its own. You needed a philosophy of change and progress, a belief that a golden age lay in the future, not in the past. And the industrial revolution brought so much change and upheaval, that it became more common to look to government either to protect against harmful change, or to direct the powerful new forces to produce major changes in society.

9 posted on 01/24/2013 3:36:49 PM PST by x
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It sounds to me like Madison wanted the federal government to have veto power over laws passed by the individual states.

That he wrote what are now the ninth and tenth amendments two years later just shows that his views had matured in the meantime as a result of the debates at the ratifying conventions and the widespread demands for a Bill of Rights limiting the powers of the federal government.

10 posted on 01/24/2013 4:19:57 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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