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1 posted on 02/22/2013 7:49:32 AM PST by JOHN W K
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I'm eagerly awaiting the “Charles is Brilliant” brigade to arrive.

This man is a dip-shit of epic proportions. Just because he occasionally gets the obvious, does not denote brilliance.

2 posted on 02/22/2013 7:54:21 AM PST by Artcore
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Since Marbury finding the constitutionality of law has been the province of SCOTUS. Jefferson and Madison sought earlier to declare that power as belonging to the states, but it was clear any state might find a law it disapproved of and create a constitutional issue to nullify it. That course would lead to disunion. SCOTUS has been accepted as the arbiter of the Constitution even though decisions like Scott and Plessy have not been just. Roberts reasoning in the current matter may be faulty and convoluted but under our current procedures for determining constitutionality his decision is the final word unless or until SCOTUS revisits the issue.


4 posted on 02/22/2013 8:02:59 AM PST by xkaydet65
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I like your dissection of the ‘law of the land’ legality. I just wish some constitutional lawyers would put it in action and get this mess thrown out before its too late.

As to Krauthammer, he is not a lawyer and suffers the same ignorance of the application of the constitution as most of us. Scott in Florida stated it is the law of the land....and caved.

I fear it is already too late to do anything, especially with the nanny gov’t mentality that the majority seem to adore.


6 posted on 02/22/2013 8:09:32 AM PST by Dudoight
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Justice Robert's sophistry may have made Obamacare "legal", but nothing will stop the utter chaos that awaits in its implementation. We are already seeing many people losing their employer sponsored health insurance and most of the states balking at creating the Health Care Exchanges. The cost of health insurance is going up so that it may become unaffordable to many people. The Health Care Exchanges which are to provide insurance to those who do not have an employer plan, cannot afford private insurance and make too much to qualify for Medicaid are to be up and running by October 1st of this year. There is no way that these Exchanges will be ready to offer plans, take premiums and pay providers by January 2014 as none currently exist and there is no funding for them. I expect that millions will find themselves uninsured next year and have no where to turn and then be caught in the Obamacare "tax".

A large segment of the American people who now have health insurance come next year will be standing in long line at free clinics.

8 posted on 02/22/2013 8:13:43 AM PST by The Great RJ
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Obama must have promised Kraut a souped up wheelchair if he started supporting ObamaCare

Liberal GOP love ObamaCare....do not be fooled folks. Note that the GOP is doing nothing to overturn ObamaCare


10 posted on 02/22/2013 9:11:16 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: JOHN W K; P-Marlowe
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Since "pursuance" can mean simply "the execution of something", this can be read to say "laws brought about by congress as it executes the law-making authority found in the constitution."

Now, as to whether or not John Roberts is wrong, I would agree with you. No way in the world is a penalty a tax any more than an imprisonment is a tax.

Therefore, on the point about the legality of Obamacare as the "law of the land", it is true that the law-making process was followed. Approved by House and Senate and signed by the president.

As to whether the law is constitutional, I continue to believe it is not, and 4 Supreme Court justices agree.

11 posted on 02/22/2013 9:20:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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Fact, is Obamacare now a law? Krauthammer just stated the obvious. If anyone does not like it then why hasn't it been repealed. Want an answer? Because most of the ignorant Americans really don't give a shi!, and add the vast majority of Washington is in the same frame of mind. Got it!

The complete shi! has not hit the fan yet. Maybe soon.

12 posted on 02/22/2013 9:21:15 AM PST by Logical me
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This article purporting to state why Obamacare should not be considered "the law of the land" only barely scratches the surface.

The origination clause of the constitution also provides entirely sufficient grounds to strike the law down, assuming we ever get enough members of the SCOTUS with the spine to endure the scathing editorials which would appear in the Washington Post and the New York Times. (I'm not holding my breath.) If, as Roberts pretzel-twisting logic found, the mandate is a tax, and not a penalty, then the constitution mandates that the bill must originate in the House of Representatives. Instead, it originated in the Senate.

13 posted on 02/22/2013 9:42:06 AM PST by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.)
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Boy, I caught him last night and watched the total cave of Kraut...
He reminds us so often of the chipping away of our God-given rights yet seems to be the first one who caves...for an ex-shrink, he needs some analysis....


15 posted on 02/22/2013 9:53:00 AM PST by matginzac
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First in with WDDIM?


16 posted on 02/22/2013 10:05:37 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (When the Sheep elect a Wolf to lead them, it's time for the Sheepdogs to move to Texas.)
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JWK, I wish you were there when Medicare came in. That was certainly no more constitutional than Obamacare, but only Barry Goldwater stood up against it. Government control of seniors’ healthcare is one of the things that got us into this mess.


17 posted on 02/23/2013 11:43:36 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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