Posted on 02/25/2013 9:25:42 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Do you have any information on the unwed Mother’s home in WA?
Commonly, high school girls “in trouble” in Seattle would go across the border to Vancouver, to one of the two unwed mother homes there. One was run by the Catholic Church and the other one was run by the Salvation Army. I’d bet $ that Stanley anne went to the Salvation Army one. She went to high school in Seattle so she would be doing what others did in that situation.
She probably intended to give up the baby for adoption. She was only 17. But then at the last minute she decided to keep it. Fitting with her counter culture ideas at the time (she’d already done at least one taboo at 17, head straight to bed with a black adult male).
The witnesses say she couldn’t even change a diaper and didnt seem to know how to care for the baby. That sure fits if you didn’t intend to keep the baby.
The Georgia Ballot Eligibility case was civil matter. Allegations are made and the trail Court, under the Administrative Procedures Act, must assume the allegations made in the complaint are true until they are successfully defended.
Each defendant was offered a default judgment before trial because Obama did not appear as ordered. Each defendant waived their right to a default judgment and assumed the burden of proof for the allegations made in the complaint were true.
The Court found the evidence presented by the plantiff’s witnesses and evidence were unpersuasive in proving the allegations made in the complaint. Consequently, the Court ruled in Obama’s favor.
Again, OBOTS have successfully controlled the message the burden of proof is on those making allegations in a civil matter are on the plaintiff. They are not!
TheOldLady: “That makes about as much sense as leaving an America-destroying mozlim traitor in the office of our presidency when he is not eligible, nor competent for that matter, to be there, because the screaming leftists who are trying to engineer a communist takeover of the entire world might make a fuss.”
You write as though you know he’s ineligible. If it’s that obvious, where’s the evidence? If you think you have conclusive evidence, explain why pundits like Mark Levin and Michelle Malkin won’t touch the issue. Do you think they’re part of a grand conspiracy, too?
Hey! We’re four years into this, but I’m totally with the Truthers if they eventually produce the proverbial smoking gun. Go ahead! I’m not stopping anyone from investigating Obama’s eligibility. My beef was simply that good conservatives, like Levin and Malkin, were being slandered (on this thread) as pro-Obama, because they don’t buy into the Truther eligibility arguments.
One doesn’t have to be a Truther to be against Obama, my FRiend. That’s what you are—a FRiend, and we don’t have to agree on every issue. My opinion is my own. I’m not stopping you or anyone else from believing whatever you want.
CCPS: “How much of that ‘new eligibility evidence’ did you see the main stream media report on so the masses would be aware of?”
You’re actually making my case. I was simply trying to make the point that I find it highly unlikely that President Obama will ever be impeached for lying about his eligibility. There are several reasons why I don’t think it’s going to happen. The media is one of them.
I as being fasicous in the “eternity”comment.
After having experienced the wrath of a number of obama worshipers because I used the name of their god in vain.
It is more than indifference...some of these people have attacked Obama Eligibility folks as bad as MSNBC has (esp Malkin and Coulter). Levin always brags about his “Landmark Legal Foundation got Clinton’s law license revoked in Arkansas”....hey a President who is not eligible is much more important than one who got busy with an intern
I hope we and he live long enough to hear the truth about why a legal expert like Levin chose never to mention this important topic. It’s the greatest fraud ever perpetrated upon the American people: we simply have no proof and plenty of doubt that our President was even eligible.
Maybe they threatened his family or dog.
Yeah, I hear you on that one!
I just think of the lyrics:
You have set them all on fireAnd smile...
They think they've found the new Messiah
And they'll hurt you when they find they're wrong
Your thirdly is what it’s all about. Obama isn’t the President, the Media is. Think about it.
rxsid: “Party politics and the like come 3rd (after national defense).”
You’ve been a FReeper since 2008, and you think Democrats put politics 3rd after national defense? The US Senate is controlled lock stock and barrel by Harry Reid and his cohorts. The media is practically owned by the left. They hold the presidency and influence a lot of courts.
Which conservatives are ridiculing the US Constitution and its natural born citizen provision? I can’t speak for all conservatives, but I’m not seeing it. No. They’re ridiculing people who see only what they want to see and characterize the slightest gray area as absolute proof of their point of view.
Why does anyone have to prove a negative/ I say he isn’t 35 years old. Where is his Birth Certificate? It is that simple. You can’t vote, drive, attend school, etc.. without a BC. Only Obie gets a pass because he is black. The 51% are scared spitless to question this guy. He is a mystery that no one has the guts to check out.
For those following this thread, forgive my repeated misuse of Truther. People who deny Obama’s eligibility are called Birthers. I don’t typically use either of those labels, so forgive me for using the wrong one in this thread.
Yeah. What else can you do? These, to use the term loosely, “people” are beyond help.
Agree. They controlled 2008 & 2012 elections. Intend to get 2016 with $/corruption/complicity. BOHICA!
But! He DID release a birth certificate.
AMEN! ... but then, Americans are more in tuned with the normalcy bias, and don’t actually believe anything is important enough to even go vote, so little barry bastard commie takes two elections while hiding behind his half-race status. Lies no longer amount to anything worth noting. Criminal behavior is no longer a negative for democrips and republicants. And sexual deviuant behavior is a resume enhancer for Congressional and presidential hopefuls and electees. Welcoem tot he Amerika the democrips have fabricated for their empowerment ... evil struts across the land and sits comfortably in the halls of power.
2. You know darn well that many of the (R) talking heads have ridiculed the eligiblity issue.
If you ever got the change to ask "the great one" (or any of them) this simple question, how do you think they'd react if they didn't cut you off?
How can a natural born Citizen's status be "governed" by Great Britian?"
That's obviously a Constitutional question.
Either those so-called conservatives believe that a multi-national at birth is a natural born Citizen...OR...they know their history and know that's not possible but are terrified of even asking the question in public.
Sven,
Good point.
Butterdezillion,
It would be interesting if an adopted Hawaii person who was born or adopted around the same dates as 0 possibly was could get their adoption b.c. and see where the stamp usually goes.
Then compare to the online 0 document and see if the messed with pixels correspond to something having been stamped across it.
Oh...my...gosh!
I didn’t point out your time as a FReeper to demean you. I pointed it out because you seemed to make the claim that the US Constitution comes first. It does—for conservatives—but it most clearly does not for a great number of other Americans. The numerous articles on Free Republic (which you’ve had plenty of exposure to since 2008) prove Democrats will do absolutely nothing to defend the constitution (except where it can be misconstrued to protect sodomy and abortion).
What exactly is a natural born citizen? Has the Supreme Court ever specifically defined it? Maybe they have. If so, please point me to the ruling. Otherwise, it comes down to personal opinion, because natural born reasonably means different things to different people. Some think it means born on US soil, some think it means having an American parent, some think two American parents (even if born overseas), and some think it means born on US soil to two American citizens only.
Finally, do you seriously think Mark Levin is “terrified” of asking something like that?
“see post 274—only 1 dependent Maya”
I didn’t see this earlier. Yes,Maya was the only dependent on the Soetoro taxreturn because Obama was in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut in 1973 and the physical custody of Madelyn Payne Dunham. His grandmother was appointed his legal guardian or foster mother.
Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro were stripped of their parental rights by a Hawaii Family Court in 1971 when Obama returned to Hawaii as an Unaccompanied Minor with foreign nationality. He was taken into protective custody by ICE at the Hawaii airport and then transferred to Catholic Social Services of Connecticut until the age of majority,1979. On his 18th birthday,Obama was an emancipated adult.
In the 1980 Soetoro divorce,Obama is the adult dependent upon the Soetoros for education. From 1971 to 1979,the Soetoros could not claim Obama has a dependent because he was in the care and legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut. Consequently,he has a Connecticut SSN issued to him through his legal custodian,Catholic Social Services of Connecticut”
If he came into the u.s. at Hawaii, why and how did a social services agency from Connecticut get involved?
Is there a link anywhere (or a scan of it) to the family court doc stripping the soetoros of parental rights to 0?
Is there a link (or a scan of it) to the soetoro divorce papers where it discusses 0?
How did 0 get to be a dependent again in 1980 after being not a dependent in the years before?
“How did 0 get to be a dependent again in 1980 after being not a dependent in the years before?”
From 1971 to 1979, Obama was a dependent of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut under contract with Office of Refugee and Resettlement, a sub-agency of DHHS, to provide child welfare services to foreign national minors who have been taken into federal custody and remanded to their custody after an immigration hearing.
In 1980, Obama was an adult, fulltime student living in the U.S. as a permanent resident (green card holder). The parties in the Soetoro divorce stipulated he was an adult, dependent for education.
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