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To: Kansas58
NOBODY is on YOUR side, yet you have the nerve to call ME stupid?

Because you keep thinking that having people on your side makes you correct, I do indeed regard you as stupid. REALITY is not subject to opinion. It doesn't matter HOW many people you have on your side. A lot of people believing something does not make it true.

As long as you continue to bring up who agrees with you (Argumentum ad verecundiam/ Argumentum ad Populum) I will continue to regard you as stupid.

1,067 posted on 03/11/2013 10:27:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Mr Rogers; Jeff Winston; All

I have a question for the adherents of the most-restrictive-standard policy (born in the US of two citizen parents), aka birthers: what would it take to make you decide you’re wrong? Serious question. Based on my own readings, I think you’re wrong, and I think the lengthy postings from Mr Rogers and Jeff Winston have removed all doubt. Besides that, you’ve been promoting your arguments for 5 years now, and not a single court has agreed with you. So, what would it take? (I’m not interested in restatements of why you’re right—I’ve read all those.)

Like I said, I think you’re wrong. But I’ll allow that I could be mistaken, and I’ll tell you what would lead me to decide that: an unambiguous declaration by a court that somone was *not* an NBC or not a citizen by birth because his or her parents weren’t citizens. I don’t mean one of those “They didn’t use the words ‘natural born citizen’ so that means he wasn’t” bits of mindreading. And I don’t mean “They said X was NBC, so not-X must me not-NBC,” which is really just a misunderstanding of necessary and sufficient conditions. I mean a clear decision that put natural born, eligible for the presidency on one side of the line and a particular person, born here but with a noncitizen parent, on the other *for that reason*. As far as I’ve read in all these discussions for all these years, no court has ever come to that conclusion.

So given that it’s not likely that we’re going to be able to actually ask one of the framers what they meant in so many words, is there anything that would convince you? Because if the answer is “No, I don’t care what the courts say or have said or what legal scholars say, they’re all wrong and I’m right”—well, it’d be useful to know that that’s where you’re coming from.


1,081 posted on 03/11/2013 11:57:47 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: DiogenesLamp

You are oblivious to reality
That makes you CRAZY!

You are also absolutely wrong that opinion does not matter. We are talking here about LEGAL OPINIONS and the fact that NOBODY with any authority, at law, agrees with you, or shares YOUR lonely opinion, does indeed matter.

You are suffering from a mental disorder. You wish notoriety, not success. You crave the “persecution” of those who you consider to be your cerebral “lessors” and it is very obvious to most observes -—

I know this because most observers ignore you.

DL, you are a cerebral narcissist.

That does not mean you ARE intellectually superior, it only means that your arrogance will never allow you to accept than anyone is your equal, intellectually.

This is why you MUST stake out ridiculous beliefs, because you would not be so proud of yourself, if anyone actually was as “smart” as you and agreed with you.

You are so “special” aren’t you?


1,162 posted on 03/11/2013 4:38:43 PM PDT by Kansas58
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