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To: 4Zoltan

All were subjects, mostly English. They were also CITIZENS of the several states. Basically they got to choose if they wanted to stay and become citizens of the *new* United States, or go on back “home.”

Since many families had been in the States for generations, most chose to remain. Instead of being a British subject who was a citizen of MA. or VA, for example, they would now be a US citizen in addition to being a citizen of MA or VA. By choosing to remain, they ceased being a “subject”
But it wasn’t exactly official until.......

SNIP:

February of 1783 George III issued his Proclamation of Cessation of Hostilities, culminating in the Peace Treaty of 1783. Signed in Paris on September 3, 1783, the agreement — also known as the Paris Peace Treaty — formally ended the United States War for Independence.


1,071 posted on 03/11/2013 10:52:15 AM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest
"They were also CITIZENS of the several states."

Obviously, after July 4th, 1776 there would be "CITIZENS of the several states". But the proposed amendments say citizens before 7/4/1776 ("has not become a citizen before the 4th day of July, 1776" and "Citizens on or before the fourth day of July one thousand seven hundred and seventy six"). There were no states before 7/4/1776 only English colonies.

The argument is that there were no natural born citizens before July 4th, 1776. My question is - who would the New York ratifying convention consider to be a citizens before 7/4/1776?

1,075 posted on 03/11/2013 11:49:55 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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