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To: DiogenesLamp
You were, in fact, claiming that very thing. That you are no longer claiming it means we have made progress.

No, I wasn't. You took my post, which was not 100% literal, just a tiny bit too literally.

Argumentum ad populum is a fallacy.

Do you know what's a far bigger fallacy? Your bogus little appeal to authority, where you pose as an expert by throwing out terms like "argumentum ad populum."

As can be seen by the idiotic claims you've previously made, you're no expert.

I refer to such stupid claims as putting forth David Ramsay as a "better" expert than William Rawle. As trying to use Thomas Jefferson's Virginia citizenship law, which was straight jus soli, in favor of your claim. As trying to quote James Madison, who said PLACE OF BIRTH was THE MOST CERTAIN CRITERION and WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES, as some argument in favor of your claim that it takes BOTH place of birth and parentage. As trying to claim that a law passed 13 years after a court case was a response to that court case. As saying that "natural born subject" is unrelated to "natural born citizen" when no one ever stated the two were unrelated, and it's clear that we replaced the word "subject" for the word "citizen" at the exact same time in history that we replaced "natural born subject" with "natural born citizen."

Really, your idiocies just go on and on. Ah, yes. But you're an expert. Because you can say, "argumentum ad populum."

870 posted on 03/10/2013 4:41:11 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
No, I wasn't. You took my post, which was not 100% literal, just a tiny bit too literally.

Oh. You mean you're still as dumb as you were in the beginning.

Do you know what's a far bigger fallacy? Your bogus little appeal to authority, where you pose as an expert by throwing out terms like "argumentum ad populum."

What? You didn't know about it? I'm not an expert, you are just ignorant. The reason so many fallacies have Latin names is because stupid people have been using them since the Roman Empire, and given your penchant for the use of fallacies, I dares say this sorry state of affairs will continue indefinitely. Learn what you are talking about!

There, now you can be an "expert" too. Feel better?

As can be seen by the idiotic claims you've previously made, you're no expert.

Yes, the guy that doesn't even know about fallacies, is making another one. It's Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

I refer to such stupid claims as putting forth David Ramsay as a "better" expert than William Rawle.

He is. I even made you walk back your claim that he was not a British trained loyalist.

As trying to use Thomas Jefferson's Virginia citizenship law, which was straight jus soli, in favor of your claim.

All you proved with that is your inability to read and/or comprehend.

As trying to quote James Madison, who said PLACE OF BIRTH was THE MOST CERTAIN CRITERION and WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES, as some argument in favor of your claim that it takes BOTH place of birth and parentage.

I believe Madison said that as well, right before the quote that gives you orgasms.

It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion;

As trying to claim that a law passed 13 years after a court case was a response to that court case.

None sequitur. Apart from the fact that you don't know when that law was enacted, (and no, the printing of that book does not accurately reflect when the law went into effect.) The law may very well have been a response to that court case. It certainly OVERTURNED that court case. Of that there can be no doubt. Do you know what else it did? It made your argument that "place" is the only criteria into a lie.

As saying that "natural born subject" is unrelated to "natural born citizen" when no one ever stated the two were unrelated, and it's clear that we replaced the word "subject" for the word "citizen" at the exact same time in history that we replaced "natural born subject" with "natural born citizen."

Straw man tactic. You misstate what I have said, and then criticize your own misstatement. Jeff, I Imagine you think you are an intelligent fellow, but in reality you are a pompous fool who is so enamored of his own brilliance that you believe your own opinions have the power to warp reality. You are a legend in your own mind.

I am an Electronics Engineer. This is the sort of thing *I* do for a living.

What do *YOU* do for a living? Something tells me you are in the kiddie pool when it comes to real intelligence.

1,441 posted on 03/14/2013 12:35:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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