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To: RegulatorCountry

We never had a ‘grandfathered’ President, since they all were born in the USA or original colonies. Remember, the clause allowed ANYONE WHO WAS A CITIZEN at the time the Constitution was adopted to become President. CITIZEN includes naturalized citizens.

There was no need for a grandfather clause for Washington. All who were natural born subjects became natural born citizens automatically, with the treaty signed in 1783 although US courts held the date to be 4 July 1776.

This isn’t open for dispute. It was involved in multiple inheritance cases. I’m sorry you have believed otherwise, but no court from early America agreed with you. You are completely wrong on the facts.


873 posted on 03/10/2013 4:51:44 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers
There was no need for a grandfather clause for Washington. All who were natural born subjects became natural born citizens automatically, with the treaty signed in 1783 although US courts held the date to be 4 July 1776.

... and yet there was. Please point to any credible published source to back up your novel assertions. All who were natural born subjects certainly did not become natural born citizens. There was a very important distinction there that is completely lost on you, due to your peculiar insistence that the US was just a continuance of English rule. I guess there was no need for the American Revolution just as there was no need for the grandfather clause under your tortured interpretation of not just Constitutional law but recorded history?

This isn’t open for dispute. It was involved in multiple inheritance cases. I’m sorry you have believed otherwise, but no court from early America agreed with you. You are completely wrong on the facts.

Point out an instance of an English natural born subject who remained so of their own free will who was ruled eligible to inherit property in early US history, immediately post-Revolution, Mr. Rogers. This should be interesting.

Oh, and by the way, I notice you haven't responded at all, as to just who is recorded in history books as having been our first natural born citizen President. Is there a particular reason you've chosen not to provide such an easily determined answer?

The answer negates your assertions, that's why you've not responded.

896 posted on 03/10/2013 7:17:01 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mr Rogers
There was no need for a grandfather clause for Washington. All who were natural born subjects became natural born citizens automatically, with the treaty signed in 1783 although US courts held the date to be 4 July 1776.

Rogers, I normally ignore anything you write, but this statement just jumped out at me as being one of the stupidest things you've said.

George Washington was a natural born subject of His Majesty King George III. To argue that he was a "natural citizen" of a country which wouldn't exist for another 44 years is just asinine.

Care to rephrase that, or are you going to stick with the Time Traveling theory?

1,445 posted on 03/14/2013 12:53:11 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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