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To: stormer
C14 is worthless for items older than about 60,000 years. Do you think dinosaurs were around back then?

I think that when one finds a dinosaur bone that is not fossilized one should test it to see if it is younger than 60,000 years instead of assuming it is not based on the accepted dating methods of fossil records. After all fossil records did indicate the coelecanth had been extinct for 65 million years...however it turned out that they are not actually extinct. Now if that is because the methods of dating the fossils were no good, or because it just happened to have survived under the radar without us finding and dating any fossils for the last 65 million years...I don't know. But I do know, that one can't safely assume that a species is extinct based on such an approach, because it was wrong in this case.

At the very least, dinosaur bones that appear remarkably well preserved and not fossilized for being 70 million plus years old might be seen as a great opportunity to test the limits of how far back carbon dating can go on bones, by serving as an example of what no C14 other than what one might find due to error in measurement or ambient contamination...but somehow, those that perform such tests are ridiculed as anti-science by those who claim to be scientists.

Thus, I don't know for sure if any dinosaurs really lived as recently as mere thousands of years ago, but I am sure that it would embarrass a lot of "scientists" if they were, and they seem to use ridicule as a defense. And that is disgusting and hypocritical and cowardly and very much anti-scientific itself, and it undermines my faith in the integrity of all the related fields.

48 posted on 03/17/2013 4:38:34 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
Several points:

People love to use the coelecanth as an example of a “living fossil”. While it is true that this family of fishes have not changes much over a long period of time, it is untrue that they were unknown. There live in areas that have been dominated by native fisheries and because they are inedible, they were thrown back.

There have been claims that soft tissues have been extracted from dino fossils, although confirmatory evidence is scarce. Mary Schweitzer is the primary researcher and despite her discovery and her adherence to Christianity, she has no doubt that the samples in question are in the range of 65 million years.

And again, C14 testing is such that items that may be substantially older than 60,000 years hit the at about that time frame. Happily there are other radiometric techniques that provide accurate data.

As far as some scientist hiding information that would place dinos in recent time, it is laughable. Scientists are extremely competitive and given the chance to show everyone wrong, would jump at the opportunity.

49 posted on 03/17/2013 5:41:40 PM PDT by stormer
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