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Immigration Amnesty: The Path to Poverty (Pigs now have their own airport)
The Daily Beast ^ | March 22, 2013 | David Frum

Posted on 03/22/2013 2:48:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In 2008, Mark Krikorian published an important new book arguing against permissive immigration. The book's central idea: what has changed since Ellis Island days is not the immigrants; it's the society they are immigrating to.

In 1913, a Sicilian who migrated to New York City to do manual labor would discover a society willing to pay a high wage for his effort.

In 2013 … not so. Yesterday's New York Times reports on a new study confirming Krikorian's insight.

People of Mexican descent in New York City are far more likely to be living in poor or near-poor households than other Latinos, blacks, whites or Asians,according to a study to be released on Thursday.

Nearly two-thirds of the city’s Mexican residents, including immigrants and the native-born, are living in low-income households, compared with 55 percent of all Latinos; 42 percent of blacks and Asians; and 25 percent of whites, said the report by the Community Service Society, a research and advocacy group in New York City that focuses on poverty......

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; cis; frum; gop; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigration; importingdemocrats; importingpoverty; krikorian; mexicans
Just wow.
1 posted on 03/22/2013 2:48:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From the article:

The United States is already evolving into a society much harsher and less hospitable for the less-skilled. Yet American elites seem determined to enlarge and perpetuate a problem they already don’t know how to solve: how to create economic opportunities for the least economically competitive half of the population.

Yesterday, the Center for American Progress released a study of the projected economic effects of the president’s immigration proposals. It asserted that immediate full amnesty - residency plus citizenship - would raise immigrant incomes and thereby government revenues.

Over 10 years, that additional tax revenue would sum to $184 billion—$116 billion to the federal government and $68 billion to state and local governments.

CAP gets its impressive number with a crummy trick: omitting the increased costs of legalization. Previously illegal immigrants will become eligible for Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits, unemployment insurance, food stamps, and other federal and state programs. Because the illegals are predominantly very low-income, their demand on such programs will be heavy - and not only long-term, but likely multigenerational.

Why on earth would we deliberately expand the ranks of the least skilled by tens of millions more people imported from abroad, whose grandchildren and great-grandchildren will still require government aid into the 22nd century? That’s the question to keep in mind as the American elite tumbles its way to unthinking consensus in favor of a second large immigration amnesty in 30 years.


2 posted on 03/22/2013 3:00:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; HiJinx; Pelham; Tennessee Nana; Liz; cripplecreek; All

David Frum?? Siding with Mark Krikorian/CIS??? Saying this:

“Things are not improving in the second generation either.

Mexican youth who have left school — native-born and foreign-born alike — have considerably lower levels of educational attainment than their peers, with more than half lacking a high school diploma.

“The fact that native-born Mexican young people are less likely than other Latinos (and other racial/ethnic groups) to attain high school diplomas and enroll in college is extremely troubling,” the report said.......Because the illegals are predominantly very low-income, their demand on such programs will be heavy - and not only long-term, but likely multigenerational...............Why on earth would we deliberately expand the ranks of the least skilled by tens of millions more people imported from abroad, whose grandchildren and great-grandchildren will still require government aid into the 22nd century? That’s the question to keep in mind as the American elite tumbles its way to unthinking consensus in favor of a second large immigration amnesty in 30 years. “

I agree, just wow!


3 posted on 03/22/2013 3:02:31 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frum absolutely nails it. Mark Krikorian is a good friend of mine, and he is brilliant on this issue. I am surprised that the normally RINO Frum is on the conservative side on this critical issue, and diametrically opposed to the Bush Clan.


4 posted on 03/22/2013 3:03:30 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

“Frum absolutely nails it. Mark Krikorian is a good friend of mine, and he is brilliant on this issue. I am surprised that the normally RINO Frum is on the conservative side on this critical issue, and diametrically opposed to the Bush Clan.”

I’m speechless. David Frum?? And CPAC/ACU wouldn’t let Krikorian be on their little ‘immigration/AMNESTY’ panel.


5 posted on 03/22/2013 3:05:32 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The “elites,” ie, the dimmiecrats, McStain, Grahamnesty, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, et al, are out of their ever-lovin’ gourds to want to expand these problems by foisting tens of millions more of these unfortunate souls on our already overburdened society.


6 posted on 03/22/2013 3:07:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“The “elites,” ie, the dimmiecrats, McStain, Grahamnesty, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, et al, are out of their ever-lovin’ gourds to want to expand these problems by foisting tens of millions more of these unfortunate souls on our already overburdened society.”

But GE and Microsoft want amnesty and more guest workers. Set up and SOLD OUT!

Fools to the left of us, Fools on the right - stuck in the middle with Amnesty!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2999663/posts


7 posted on 03/22/2013 3:13:26 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Here is the NY Times report:

Mexican New Yorkers Are More Likely to Live in Poor Households
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/mexican-new-yorkers-are-more-likely-to-live-in-poor-households/

[snip]The study was commissioned by the Deutsche Bank Foundation following the publication of an article in The New York Times in 2011 about extraordinarily low educational achievement among Mexican immigrants in New York City. The foundation has also started an initiative intended to improve the educational and economic achievement of the Mexican population in New York City, with an emphasis on children and their families. “

So...their liberal answer is to GIVE THEM MORE! Have any of them ever heard the Milton Friedman phrase, ‘you get more of what you subsidize?’

The sheer huge numbers of Mexican migrants creates this situation. They don’t have to learn English, they don’t have to learn to earn the handouts. They can have their own country within a country. And the liberals can’t figure out why the Mexicans are on the bottom of the rung...they are there because they don’t care! And the pay is good. They make it difficult, even for David Frum and the NY Times to not paint with that BROAD brush!

Wow.


8 posted on 03/22/2013 3:38:41 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: montag813; AuntB; Jim Robinson; x; William Terrell; TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; ...
Frum absolutely nails it. Mark Krikorian is a good friend of mine, and he is brilliant on this issue. I am surprised that the normally RINO Frum is on the conservative side on this critical issue, and diametrically opposed to the Bush Clan. (Emphasis added)

Perhaps Frum, in the words of John McLaughlin, "lurched uncontrollably into the truth", or perhaps his falling-out with Manor Bush and their Yankee-mandarin taskmasters and wannabee-Masters of the Universe has produced a demonstration of divine Providence, to use such a RiNO as Frum for a worthwhile cause.

Either way, the model/theory/excuse that let a generation of RiNO's cover up their swamping of the Republic with Orwellian masses of hungry Mexican immigrants is being gutted in Macy's storefront window.

Color me impressed.

PS: The Kirchner regime in Argentina is running the same sort of immigration policy. Black hearts think alike.

9 posted on 03/22/2013 3:39:17 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

BTT


10 posted on 03/22/2013 3:40:36 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Jim Robinson

As I said to another Freeper today, the GOP (and related support systems) is lousy with liberals, moderates and psuedoConservatives who like to be seen as sitting at the cool kids table. It is bereft of principle, pursuing Democrat goals and anyone still supporting all but probably 5 people in it (and Rand and Rubio sure have proved they aren’t one of those five lately) is contributing to the downfall of America and every bit as much a problem. It needs to be burnt to the ground, plowed under and the earth it sat upon salted and fertilized with plutonium.

And after a couple beers, I might loosen up and tell you what I really think about it.


11 posted on 03/22/2013 3:41:09 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: AuntB

Its obvious the ruling elite see an advantage for themselves in a nation of semi-illiterates scrambling in the gutter to earn a living while an educated, albeit shrinking, middle class looks for protection from the former.


12 posted on 03/22/2013 3:42:23 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Norm Lenhart

“And after a couple beers, I might loosen up and tell you what I really think about it.”

lol


13 posted on 03/22/2013 4:14:25 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Trust me, I was being nice ;)


14 posted on 03/22/2013 4:15:47 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Re: “Previously illegal immigrants will become eligible for Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits, unemployment insurance, food stamps, and other federal and state programs.”

In Washington state, ILLEGAL immigrants are already completely eligible for all the programs listed above!

We require NO proof of legal residence for anyone who applies for the programs listed above.


15 posted on 03/22/2013 5:34:49 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: AuntB; lentulusgracchus; montag813
Re: David Frum

Have I gone completely senile?

I was one of Free Republic's most passionate opponents of the 2005-2006 Bush-McCain Amnesty.

As I recall, David Frum was a passionate supporter.

In fact, David Frum’s support was so passionate I stopped reading “National Review!”

16 posted on 03/22/2013 5:50:07 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

“Re: David Frum

Have I gone completely senile?

I was one of Free Republic’s most passionate opponents of the 2005-2006 Bush-McCain Amnesty.

As I recall, David Frum was a passionate supporter.

In fact, David Frum’s support was so passionate I stopped reading “National Review!””

That’s the way I remember it! Maybe some of them are getting a conscience.


17 posted on 03/22/2013 6:35:53 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“It needs to be burnt to the ground, plowed under and the earth it sat upon salted and fertilized with plutonium.

And after a couple beers, I might loosen up and tell you what I really think about it.”

Thanks for the morning chuckle Norm!


18 posted on 03/23/2013 3:01:45 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Frum is probably testing the winds with his finger and asking the eternal question, "What's in it for David Frum?"

People forget his "Hard Right" phase which coincided with the 1994 Gingrich win. There may be some things Frum won't do, but most things are negotiable for him if it advances his career.

I was going to call BS on your anti-RINO diatribe, but in actual fact more Democrats did vote against the 1965 Immigration Act than Republicans.

So you're right: it's not something that the GOP moderates (which by today's standards included most of the party after Goldwater was defeated) can blame on Democrats alone.

But you will find that even Reagan didn't do much against even illegal immigration. The lure of cheap labor is a lot stronger than party or ideological divisions.

19 posted on 03/23/2013 8:48:32 AM PDT by x
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These SOBs we elected want that for all America. When will we say enough is enough?


20 posted on 03/23/2013 9:26:46 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: x
The lure of cheap labor is a lot stronger than party or ideological divisions.

I concur, that's been the case for eons, going back to, well, Lincoln .... It was the Democrats who reformed immigration and stopped the wage-breakers' game in 1925, and LBJ who engineered the party's volte-face in 1953/4, which was motivated by LBJ's knowledge that Mexicans tend to vote Left and are generationally tenacious in their voting patterns. Even on a showing that the Democrat Party militates against their many social interests, they vote for the Left Party as the party of subsidies and price/rent control, largely because great-grandfathers Triunfador and Sotero did so.

21 posted on 03/23/2013 11:46:08 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
I concur, that's been the case for eons, going back to, well, Lincoln

Going back before Lincoln. The necessity of populating a continent sideled into the desire for cheap labor and immigrant votes. That was under way whatever Lincoln did or didn't do.

It was the Democrats who reformed immigration and stopped the wage-breakers' game in 1925

Not so much. Republicans controlled Congress. The sponsors of the bill were Republicans. A Republican president signed it. Republicans took the flak for it in later years. There weren't many dissenters, though (mostly Democrats), so you could say it was bipartisan.

There was a case for reforming the bill to take out the more prejudicial aspects. That had already largely been done by the 1960s. But the Democrats -- Kennedy and Johnson -- chose a radical overhaul, rather than continue with gradual, piecemeal reform, and they had all kinds of offensive quotes from the act's supporters back in the 1920s to push their case through.

As it was, though, they got enough support from Republicans. That was also a bipartisan measure. The Immigration and Naturalization Act was the dark obverse of the Civil and Voting Rights Acts. Republicans were more supportive of the latter than Democrats because they had little presence in the South. For the same reason, though, they were also more supportive of the former.

22 posted on 03/23/2013 12:32:59 PM PDT by x
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To: lentulusgracchus
I came back to this post today to read any additional comments.

Only 21 comments in two days.

During the 2005 Bush-McCain Amnesty, an article like this would generate 21 comments in 21 minutes.

That's a terrible omen.

The Conservative grass roots are either exhausted, utterly demoralized, or indifferent to Amnesty 2013.

I don't know how we stop this legislation without some form of national leadership.

Only NewsBusters, Ann Coulter, and a few minor Conservative columnists are making a sincere effort to block it.

Perhaps Rush Limbaugh is helping, but I don't get a chance to listen because of work.

Michele Malkin was probably the most powerful and relentless Conservative voice in opposition to Amnesty 2005.

In 2013, her voice is rarely heard on the issue.

To my knowledge there are no Republican congressmen who have taken an articulate leadership position against Amnesty 2013.

Within three weeks, Harry Reid is going to dump Amnesty 2013 on Congress.

The MSM, the Democrats, and the RINO’s will give it the legislative Bum's Rush.

Within three weeks, American Conservatives will face political extinction.

And we are standing around, just watching it happen.

23 posted on 03/23/2013 12:48:09 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: x

“The sponsors of the bill were Republicans.”

I stand corrected ...... The original 1921 Emergency Quota Act legislation had a Republican sponsor, a single Democrat objector in the Senate (from Mississippi, note), and Jewish policy objects — or so Wiki likes to tell us.

(Getting harder and harder to quote Wiki with a straight face.)

A Democratic President signed the interim 1917 Immigration Act; Pubbies its successors.

Rundown here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act


24 posted on 03/23/2013 1:21:31 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: poobear

We aim to please. We don’t always lift the toiler seat, but we aim ;)


25 posted on 03/23/2013 1:23:03 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: zeestephen

Because many ‘conservatives’ on the internet ....aren’t.


26 posted on 03/23/2013 1:24:31 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: lentulusgracchus
The "Cheap Labor" people did very well with earlier waves of immigration.

What they apparently forgot was their basic arithmetic. For example, in 100 years, about 3 million Poles showed up for work in the US; about 5 million Italians; coupla million Eastern Jews, maybe a million Swedes, and 1/2 a million Norwegians. Worked out pretty good.

However, since 1965, 35 million legal Mexicans have shown up, plus about another ??? 20 million illegals??? (I know the gov says "11 million, but that's just in LA County). Along with other Latinos, they will make up 1/3 of our total population very soon! Imagine that! I mean ¡Imáginese eso! Funny, but I never wondered how to say that in Norwegian.

What the cheap labor boys forgot is the cost of 100 million people in 50 years vs. the cost of 10 million multi-cultural Europeans over 125 years, who arrived without any mandatory financial safety net.

27 posted on 03/25/2013 6:24:31 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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