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Part Four: Three Bizarre Events We All Scratched Our Heads At

Republicans had just won a landslide in the 2010 midterms but in December Congressional Republicans were giving away everything including the kitchen sink. The previous year’s Christmas crisis was Obamacare; Christmas of 2010 was filled with the DREAM Act, repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, the START Treaty (giving up our missile defense system, Putin told us after it was passed), and the fiscal emergency caused by Congress failing to pass a budget – again.

But shortly after that there were some bizarre events that had us all scratching our heads. These events make sense when a person realizes that the HDOH has altered at least 4 Aug 1961 BC#’s and the only lawful reason for them to give ANYBODY a BC# they didn’t have originally is when law enforcement says a new BC is necessary to protect the life of the person named on the certificate. In order to give Obama the BC# for Stig Waidelich the HDOH needed to have law enforcement claim that Obama’s life was in danger if he didn’t get a new BC. Remember that, as I set the stage for the 3 bizarre events.

Neil Abercrombie had resigned from the US Congress to run for governor of HI. He won that race and took office on Dec 6, 2010. (1) On Dec 18th he appointed Neal Palafox as HDOH Director. (2) Five days later, on Dec. 23, he gave an interview with The New York Times (3) Sometime that same week he gave an interview to the LA Times (4), and CNN also ran an article (5). All of those articles focused on Abercrombie’s determination to find a way to release Obama’s long-form birth certificate. The NY Times article said this:

But on the matter of the birthers, Mr. Abercrombie grew serious. “I’m going to take care of that,” he said, though he acknowledged that they would be difficult to convince…. And he is angry about legislation in several states that would require presidential candidates to document that they were born in this country…”… My thought is, rather than get into some kind of argument or play into that mentality, why not just simply try to authenticate this and let the facts speak for themselves?”

Arizona had abandoned an eligibility measure, to focus on their immigration bill. But Judy Burges, the author of the measure, had promised to raise it again in the next session. In spite of media demonization of the “extremist” and “racist” Tea Party and legislature of Arizona, the 2010 midterms had given the Republicans there a majority in both legislative chambers.

So far nothing out of the usual here.

On Jan 8th Jared Loughner went on a shooting spree that injured newly-reelected US Rep Gabby Giffords and killed Judge John Roll, the federal judge of impeccable integrity who would have heard a DOJ lawsuit if an eligibility bill was signed into law. The Department of Homeland Security and Sheriff Clarence Dupnik immediately blamed Sarah Palin and “the Tea Party”, even though the evidence suggested that if Loughner had any political leanings, they were to the left. More than anything, he looked to be schizophrenic, although he and one of the men shot were both familiar with mind control techniques.

The media , some politicians including Obama, and Sheriff Clarence Dupnik immediately demonized the “violent rhetoric” of the Tea Party. (6, 7)The “townhall meetings” which had energized the pre-midterm pushback against Obamacare were determined to be too “dangerous” because of the “violent Tea Party”. Especially the “violent” Tea Party in Arizona where the legislature had passed a “racist” immigration bill and nearly passed a “kooky, extremist birther bill”. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik was convinced that “extreme” people like “birthers” are dangerous, and would commit violence against elected leaders.

So during that first month after Abercrombie began to pave the way for the release of Obama’s birth certificate, the media was insisting (and the law enforcement person at the middle of the Arizona shooting was concluding) that “birthers” like the Arizona Tea Partiers are violent, and elected leaders need to be protected from them…. The stage was set for law enforcement to request a new birth certificate for Obama, which would say whatever Dupnik, or Eric Holder, or Janet Napolitano said it had to say.

And then it happened – the first of the 3 bizarre events: A Star-Advertiser columnist asked Abercrombie how his search for Obama’s birth certificate was going, and on Jan 18th published Abercrombie’s response:
“I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.” (Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.) “It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...” (8)
World Net Daily reported on this bizarre statement. (9) Why would Abercrombie and AG Louie need an investigation to find a birth certificate that was at the HDOH where it belonged? Why would he have to look in the State Archives, which doesn’t store birth certificates? Why would he say it was “actually written…. Written down”? The next day The NY Daily News also reported (10) and the day after that Drudge Report linked to it. (11)

This led to the 2nd bizarre event: On Thursday, January 20th, Hollywood news reporter Mike Evans mentioned on 3 different radio shows that he had spoken to his decades-long friend Neil Abercrombie the day before and Abercrombie had told him there is no birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii. Evans recounted the conversation, including Abercrombie saying the first time he remembered seeing Obama in Hawaii was at T-ball age. (See Exhibits A and B for transcripts).

The next day (Fri, Jan 21) Abercrombie’s office said he was abandoning the attempt to disclose Obama’s BC because of Obama’s “privacy rights”. And HDOH Communications Director Janice Okubo reminded everyone that Obama’s name is in the birth index (12)– which we now know had been altered to include non-valid records. (13) So it seems like they were trying to put the genie back in the bottle and rely on the falsified birth index as the only evidence of Obama’s birth certificate.

(What Abercrombie told Evans indicates that there was not a hospital birth certificate for Obama at that point. Abercrombie told Evans there was no evidence of a Hawaii birth – and that was after going to the hospitals with a search warrant, which would have allowed him to see the 1961 labor room log that is in Kapiolani Hospital’s archives (14). If the HDOH confirmation of a late-2006 amendment for Obama’s birth certificate (15) or the OIP’s confirmation of supporting affidavits for Obama’s birth record (16) are accurate, then he had SOMETHING at the HDOH but not a hospital birth certificate.)

But the genie wouldn’t go back in the bottle. On Jan. 24th the story hit the internet (17), and by Jan 27 it made it onto Drudge Report (18)

On Jan 26 two things happened to try to deal with the fallout, the latter of which is the 3rd bizarre event: Mike Evans retracted what he had said - instead claiming that he had never even talked to Abercrombie (19) - and Neil Abercrombie asked his HDOH Director, Neal Palafox, to resign (20), with Loretta Fuddy becoming acting Director in his place. (21)

The timing of Palafox’s firing is suspicious, but how it came out is even worse. When Palafox resigned, Abercrombie denied that he had asked Palafox to resign and Communications Director Okubo claimed that Palafox had resigned for personal reasons . The article announcing Palafox’s resignation cited anonymous sources claiming that AG David Louie was investigating Palafox for patient billing fraud – a claim that Louie would not deny even though he had not made any of the required notifications if he was investigating. (22). It’s like he wanted the threat to hang over Palafox, who first heard of those rumors on TV when his resignation was announced – making it look like he had resigned because he was in trouble with the law. Three days after the denials, Abercrombie’s office admitted that they had asked Palafox to resign, after Palafox publicly stated he had no idea why he had resigned.

What it really looks like is Abercrombie fired Palafox and to keep Palafox quiet AG Louie said, “This is a real nice medical practice ya got here. It’d be a shame if somebody framed you for fraud…” But Palafox fought back and forced them to publicly admit they had forced him to resign for reasons other than wrong-doing– though nobody would say why. It seems to me that Palafox could afford to fight back if he had something to hold over the heads of Abercrombie and Louie, and was willing to let them know it.

And that’s why I think they fired him: he wasn’t willing to play their game. He was the snag. They had the request from law enforcement to create a new BC for Obama to protect him from those “violent Arizona birthers”, the stage had been set for it to be released…. And Palafox wouldn’t go along with it. That’s why Abercrombie was caught off-guard by the Star-Advertiser columnist’s question in bizarre event #1; his own HDOH Director stood in the way of the plan so it was in limbo at the time of the question. That’s why Abercrombie hadn’t found a birth certificate by the time Mike Evans called him. And once they saw Jack Cashill, Peter Boyles, etc bring attention to the first 2 bizarre stories, they knew they were going to eventually have to show a BC, and to do that they had to get rid of the person standing in the way. In a single day they “convinced” Mike Evans to change his story and Neal Palafox to resign. But Palafox quietly let the world know there was something rotten in Hawaii… (sort of like a red flag…)

Why wouldn’t he go along with it, when the law allows a new BC to be created at the request of law enforcement? Because the statute says that is only allowable for somebody who was born in Hawaii and has a birth certificate on file. (23) Obama had some kind of birth record on file – something “actually written down” and some kind of supporting evidence that was used to amend his record in late 2006. But the amendment itself rendered the BC non-valid. An altered and/or late BC (filed a year or more after the birth) has no probative value (legal evidentiary value) on its own. Its probative value has to be determined by a judicial or administrative official or body when it is presented as evidence, according to HRS 338-17 (24) Other BC’s are declared by statutes to be prima facie evidence; their claims are legally presumed to be true unless there is evidence to contest their truth. If Obama’s BC had not been late and/or altered, it would have been valid/prima facie evidence and Palafox would have to legally presume that Obama was born in Hawaii as claimed – and a new BC could have been created for him at the request of law enforcement. But with no probative evidence of a Hawaii birth, Palafox could not lawfully approve the creation of a new birth certificate for Obama. The same reality that kept Onaka from being able to verify any of Obama’s birth facts kept Palafox from being able to create a new BC for Obama.

His resistance prompted all 3 of the bizarre events that caused us to shake our heads, and ultimately got the attention of Donald Trump who brought the issue into the limelight.

In the next part we’ll look at how Loretta Fuddy illegally executed the plan and sought to keep anybody from finding out what was done – and how registrar Alvin Onaka fought back.

Summary: Three events are bizarre unless you realize what was going on:

1. Abercrombie claimed an investigation of Obama’s birth record found something actually written down in the State Archives.

2. Mike Evans claimed Abercrombie told him he had gone to the hospitals with a search warrant, and there is no birth certificate or other evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.

3. When the story of Evans’ claims went viral Abercrombie and AG Louie forced HDOH Director Palafox to resign and lied about it while anonymously threatening to investigate him for medical billing fraud. Three days later Palafox forced them to tell the truth about firing him by saying he didn’t know why he resigned.

I believe Palafox was the snag in the plan to create a new BC for Obama based on law enforcement saying it was necessary to protect Obama from those “crazy Arizona birthers”. Palafox wouldn’t create a new BC for Obama because the only record they had for Obama was non-valid and couldn’t legally be presumed as true, and the law only allows a new BC to be created for someone who was born in Hawaii. So Gov. Abercrombie and AG Louie got rid of Palafox and replaced him with Loretta Fuddy who (as we will see) proceeded to execute the plan – including (among other things) the unlawful shuffling of 4 August 1961 BC#’s in order to land Obama with a BC that claimed a Kapiolani Hospital birth and had the BC# that had been used on the forgery to sanitize Obama’s passport file 3 years earlier: Stig Waidelich’s.

1. Dec 6, 2010 Abercrombie sworn in as governor: http://mauinow.com/2010/12/06/abercrombie-becomes-hawaii%E2%80%99s-7th-elected-governor/
2. Sat, Dec 18 Neal Palafox appointed http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13914818
3. Fri, Dec 24 NYT article about Dec 23 interview with Abercrombie: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/25/us/25hawaii.html?_r=0
4. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/24/nation/la-na-obama-birthers-20101224
5. Dec 27, 2010 CNN article: http://web.archive.org/web/20101231145833/http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/27/governor-vows-to-end-birther-controversy/
6. http://ivn.us/2011/08/03/top-democrats-call-tea-party-members-terrorists/
7. http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/08/were-all-terrorists-now.html
8. Jan 18 Star-Advertiser columnist: http://web.archive.org/web/20110122055724/http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorials/20110118_This_is_a_collaborative_endeavor.html
9. WND reports on it http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/252833/
10. Jan 19 article about Abercrombie’s comments to Star-Advertiser columnist: http://web.archive.org/web/20110121200027/http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/19/2011-01-19_record_of_obamas_birth_is_in_the_archives_hawaii_gov.html
11. http://web.archive.org/web/20110120093841/http://www.drudgereport.com/
12. http://web.archive.org/web/20110126081404/http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9KUA4MO1&show_article=1
13. http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/birth-index-includes-nonvalid-records-_documentation-included_.pdf
14. http://www.scribd.com/doc/100808537/Unofficial-Transcript-of-the-MCCP-Press-Conference-July-17-2012
15. http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/amendment-confirmation-for-dummies/
16. http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/tsukiyama-indirect-confirmation-of-evidence-submitte11.pdf
17. Mon, Jan 24 birtherreport article (gives links, etc): http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/hawaii-hollywood-reporter-mike-evans.html
18. http://web.archive.org/web/20110127035044/http:/drudgereport.com/
19. http://web.archive.org/web/20110128073358/http:/www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/
20. https://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/545587/Abercrombie-asked-nominee-to-withdraw.html?nav=5031
21. Jan 26 Fuddy takes over as acting Health Director: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/abercrombie-appoints-health-director/123
22. http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13914818
23. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0007.htm
24. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017.htm

Exhibit A: Mike Evans on KLBJ (Austin, TX)
(Transcribed by me from the Jan 20, 2011 broadcast of “Austin’s Morning News” AKA “Mark, Ed, and Sgt. Sam Show”, at 590KLBJ.com. Starting at 7:45 at http://media.590klbj.com/Podcasts/133/01-20-11-_Hour_2.mp3 ,

Mike Evans: This is a uh, not a Hollywood nugget but is is so important I had to bring it to the table. Former United States Congressman from Hawaii, Neil Abercrombie, has been a friend of mine for decades. When I spent time with Neil during the Obama inauguration in Washington, DC, uh, Neil told me that he was gonna run for governor of Hawaii. Neil also told me that when he was in college in Hawaii he was a friend of Obama’s dad. And he remembered Barach – he called him Barry – when he was a kid. He’s actually a very good friend of the President. Neil promised that when he became governor he was gonna cut through all the red tape and gonna get Obama’s birth certificate and once and for all end this stupid controversy.

Announcer: Uh-huh.

Evans: Ye, Yesterday I talked to Neil. Said that he searched everywhere using all of his power as governor, looking at Kapiolani Women and Children’s Hospital and Queens Medical Center, where children were born back in that day. And he said, “Mike, there is no Barack Obama cer, birth certificate.”

Announcer: He’s a foreigner! We knew it from the start!

Announcer #2: Well, I thought, I thought the holder of the certificate said it was locked up and she had seen it.

Evans: Well, the governor w, demanded to see it, went to the hospital, sent all of his people, a search warrant, and he could not get it. Uh, there, he’s really good friends to the President but he says, he thinks this could cause some problems during re-election

Announcer: W
Announcer 2: (inaudible)
Announcer: Yeah, that’s why he launched the search. He believes it will harm his re-election effort.

Evans: Yeah. Well, I, but he’s a friend of Barack
Announcer: I know.
Announcer 2: Yes.
Announcer: Hey I think in his h, heart and mind he said, “I’m gonna get this, bring this to a close. We’re gonna…”

Evans: Well, that’s

Announcer: “….fix this.”

Evans: And that’s exactly true, I mean

Announcer: Yeah.

Evans: I man, I’ve known Neil for long (chuckles) long time and he

Announcer: What’s

Evans: really, he’s a left-wing nut. I mean, I love him, but uh, yeah, he was, he was, you’re exactly right. He was hoping this would get rid of this problem and that he would prove that he was born in the United States. Unfortunately it backfired on him.

Announcer: Somebody’s lying.

Evans: Movie news. George Clooney….

END OF TRANSCRIPT

Exhibit B: Mike Evans on KQRS (Minneapolis, MN)
Transcribed by Jemian on freerepublic.com from 1-20-2011 audio on KQS, found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0U_jo2jQE

Audio Recording From 1-18-2011 on KQRS. Recording at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0U_jo2jQE

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT:
Mike Evans: I have a personal interest so I thought I’d share it with you. Former U.S. Congressman from Hawaii Neal Abercrombie has been a friend of mine for decades. In fact, when I first met Neal he was driving a cab in Honolulu. Well, Neal and I spent a lot of time together in Washington, D.C. during Obama’s inauguration. Neal told me then that he was gonna run for governor of Hawaii, that he had…, that, that he’d had enough of being a U.S. Congressman. He also told me that…stories … he had told me many times after Barack became famous, that he was in college going to the University of Hawaii, he was a friend of Barack Obama’s dad and that he remembers Barack Obama as a little kid. He used to call him “Barry.” In fact, I did a TV interview with, uh, Abercrombie at CSPAN the day after the inauguration and we had to … we had to stop twice because he referred to the President as Barry which he … after he did he said, “I can’t do that, I gotta call him Mr. President.”

Well, when Neal promised me that when he became governor, he was going to cut through all the red tape, he was going to get Obama’s birth certificate once-and-for-all and end this stupid controvery, th.. that he was not born in the United States.

“Yesterday talking in Neal’s office, Neal says that he searched everywhere using his power as governor at the Kapiolani Women’s and Children’s Hospital and Queen’s Hospital, the only place that kids were born in Hawaii back when Barack was born, … there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii.

Second Speaker: Really?

Mike Evans: Absolutely no proof, at all, that he was born in Hawaii.

Third Speaker: Wow!

Mike Evans: Now he went out, he LOVES Obama. I mean he purposely did this to get rid of that, that question. Now, got some egg in the face. I mean now he admits publically that there is no birth certificate.

Second Speaker: Well,… there might be an addendum to that. There is the story there is a birth announcement. But it’s been explained. His grandparents could called the newspaper and said, ‘Hey! He, we kn…, our grandchild was born. And ah… he didn’t have to be born in Hawaii for that. So its raising the issue again.”

Mike Evans: Absolutely!

Second Speaker: … after it seemed to be put to bed.

Mike Evans: And I asked him, I go, “Well, when do you remember when do you remember Barack? When’s your first memory?” And he goes, ‘I remember him playing, like, in the T-ball league.’ And I go, “Well, when he was, like, five or six.” And he goes, “Something like that.” And I go, “Well, what about before that?” And he goes, “Well, I don’t really remember him much before that.” which I thought was very odd.

Second Speaker: Really?

Mike Evans: Anyway.

Second Speaker: I have a question for you.

Mike Evans: Yeah?

Second Speaker: According to …ah, ah, … federal law, and I don’t know constitution law, but I assume it would be … ah … why is he allowed to be president of the United States then if he can’t prove he is a U.S. citizen?

Mike Evans: Well that’s … that’s…

Second Speaker: Was he born here? That’s the big question. (?/inaudible) That’s weird.

Mike Evans: And now now Abercrombie is the first to say that he he, that Abercrombie is a Obama lover …

Second Speaker: Right

Mike Evans : … that he’s concerned that … that is really going to be an issue during the election, re-election.

Second Speaker: So it has taken off as a, a big story again, huh?

Mike Evans: Yes.

Second Speaker: Well, well, what’s interesting about it is that this guy attacked people who questioned that he was born in Hawaii just a few weeks ago.

Mike Evans: Neal did.

Second Speaker: Yes.

Mike Evans: Yeah, I mean … I’m tellin’ ya’. Neal and I are buddies and during this whole inauguration when I was in Washington for those a ten days, I spent a lot of time with Neal, and anytime anybody would come up and bring this up, you’re right, Neal was almost militant about it. “I remember him as a kid. He’s from Hawaii, born and raised …“ so, needless to say, I’m sure he was shocked more than anybody by this whole thing.

Second Speaker: Don’t you have to produce … papers that say you were

Mike Evans: You’d think so. You’d have to, wouldn’t cha’?

Second Speaker: Well, there’s been a certificate of Live Birth, but that’s being questioned too, because you don’t have to … it’s not the official Birth Certificate.

Mike Evans: There’d have to be one at the hospital, signed by the doctor certifying birth by a … a birth. And there isn’t that.

Second Speaker: You’re kidding me.

Mike Evans: It’s like aaaa… baptism papers. It’s not worth the paper it’s written on, really.
Second Speaker: Well, Mike, how hard would it be to find out what doctors were on then.

Mike Evans: Apparently he can’t find any of that … that says that they were there.

END TRANSCRIPT
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2 posted on 04/05/2013 9:17:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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Ping to Part Four. If you have a ping list, could you ping for me? Thanks!


3 posted on 04/05/2013 9:19:03 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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PING!

Thanks!


4 posted on 04/05/2013 9:29:19 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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Anyone hear that Sheriff Joe is going to release info on the BC today?


14 posted on 04/05/2013 10:33:13 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: butterdezillion
killed Judge John Roll, the federal judge of impeccable integrity who would have heard a DOJ lawsuit if an eligibility bill was signed into law.

There are 15 federal judges in the District of Arizona. Cases are assigned randomly in federal court. So, had a lawsuit been filed, there was only a 1-in-15 chance that it would have been heard by Roll.

19 posted on 04/05/2013 11:47:11 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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How is it we know Jared Loughner wasn't actually successfully executing a hit on Judge Roll?

"Palafox publicly stated he had no idea why he had resigned." That's awfully curious, isn't it? Is he saying he's so out of touch with his motivations that he can't begin to identify them when asked? Or are we just supposed to realize that he's called attention to what should be a big red flag, saying he was forced to resign without there actually being any investigation or hint of impropriety on his part? Palafox's honor seems nonetheless compromised for not doing a full whistleblowing. OTOH, perhaps his employment contract makes that impossible.

Does justice in Hawai'i not have any legal friends in high places?

HF

23 posted on 04/05/2013 2:20:17 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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Excellent.

I have had no time for FR I have time for readying your articles. IMHO whatever they have on file for one BHO has a DOB in January instead of August and a different mother.

And the BHO referred to in said documnent is not the guy in the WH.


38 posted on 04/05/2013 5:43:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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IIRC, Abercrombie is a far-left progressive closely aligned with Pelosi. To me, Evans appears to have spent several days showing up on radio programs reading a script all over the country acting on direct instructions from Abercrombie.

Abercrombie’s motive in sending Evans out to do this could be blackmail, perhaps to force Barry to shower some $$$ on Hawaii or on some of Abercrombie or Pelosi’s backers that Barry was holding back on.

Suddenly Evans changes his story. That would be after Barry gives in.

The conclusion of the blackmail agreement could also include getting Barry’s cooperation in forging the LFBC and inserting the forged BC in the HI DOH archive so as to give cover to Hawaii’s complicity in providing the minimal verification of Barry’s vital records prior to the crisis that winter. At that time, even Chris Matthews got two progressives, David Corn and the black Chicago columnist to all agree that Barry “should just show the BC.”

Abercrombie’s and Barry’s attorneys would likely have negotiated mutually supporting defenses against future discovery that might be ordered in lawsuits to keep Barry off the ballot.

Layers of legal defense that would permit “plausible deniability” were built into the “release” of the LFBC image. These layers would included flying Barry’s personal lawyer to HI to witness the copying and certification and then personally transporting the BC back to DC...where Barry would NEVER be allowed to actually be seen holding the “original” copy.

I don’t personally believe that HI DOH forged the BC. That would be left to operatives that both Abercrombie and Barry would deny any association with. Even Okubo didn’t actually sign the BC but rather a signature stamp was used. “Plausible deniability” and another legal layer of defense.

They only had to tie up the legal process first until after the 2012 election and then until after Barry leaves office.


45 posted on 04/05/2013 6:11:55 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: butterdezillion

Good analysis.

Who is Stig Waidelich? Is he alive, can he get a copy of his BC.


61 posted on 04/05/2013 8:49:51 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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late to the party ping!


108 posted on 04/07/2013 5:34:48 PM PDT by bitt (The buck rolls downhill.)
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Can you get this to Mike Zullo and Orly???


113 posted on 04/07/2013 7:50:22 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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