If Bounel is a Russian immigrant, he didn’t come through Ellis Island. Their database shows no entries with the first name Harrison and the last name beginning with the letters “Bou”. There is a Harrison T. Borden (DOB 1867) and there are 33 entries for the first name Harry with a last name beginning with the letters “Bou” but only two of those begin with “Boun” (Harry B. Bounds and Harry Bounty).
The name Harrison Bounel first appeared in the public databases in November, 2009. That may be why Susan Daniels never found it. IIRC most of her searches were before that date. As it is Susan Daniels says the Bounel stuff is a myth.
Starts at 13:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESYIGiJM9cg&feature=player_embedded
Was the Harrison Bounel name fished out to Orly by Foggers?? They did something similar when they created a fake Kenyan birth certificate. Maybe that name wasn’t really the historical name associated with the SSN that Obama is using.
Recap from 2011:
Al, the “debt collector” introduces what he believes is the association of the name Harrison J. Bounel with Barry and Mooshell for the first time:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/05/plot-thickens-debt-collector-obamas.html
Al says that the CT SS# doesn’t return ANY hits on his numerous SSN databases, so neither Barry nor “Bounel” were ever issued the number in his opinion. This contradicts Susan Daniels claims that the number was issued in March 1977. Note that e-Verify does not affirm the number being issued to Barry (or to Bounel, IIRC).
Al says that Bounel appears to be an alias of Barry that is associated specifically with the S. Greenwood address, phone # and spouse, Mooshell beginning in 2009.
If this is true, Barry is not using the stolen identity of Bounel but rather someone is doubling up on Barry’s unassigned SS# and that someone is either Barry or someone else.
The above appears to be consistent with Arpaio’s refusal to go down a rat-hole of trying to litigate to break through all of Barry’s privacy protection, including control of SSA, which could take years. Much better for Apraio to go for forensic proof that the pdf is forged.
Susan Daniels does say that the link to Bounel of bogus, yet Orly has tried to merge Daniels claim of a 1890 birthdate associated with Barry’s SS# with debt collector Al’s Bounel alias being associated with that SS#.
It is not clear to me that Judge Lamberth will see enough evidence from Orly to conclude that Bounel has an 1890 birthday and also that Bounel was ever issued a SS#. If Lamberth doesn’t see that evidence he won’t rule that Lamberth’s SS-5 should be released, IMO.
Lots of immigrants from Europe came through Boston, too.
Is there a record of Harrison Bounel in the indexes (not database) before November 2009? There are records (not electronic and not public) before then and dating to before 1890. Obozo has been using the SSN long before 2009. When exactly do you think he picked up the previously issue SSN?
There is a Harry Bounel, a Russian immigrant, listed in the 1949 US Census. He was 50 years old then, consistent with the 1890 birth year in other data bases for Harrison J. Bounel. Since the surname Bounel is extremely uncommon in the US, one can say that there is a very high probability that "Harry Bounel" of the census and "Harrison J. Bounel" of the Social Security number data bases are one and the same, and a real person, not a name invented by a fiction writer.
The fact that you can't place him at Ellis Island means that either he entered the US from some other port or possibly across land from Canada, or that the Ellis Island records are not complete.
Harry Bounel was a real person, not only listed in the Census of 1940, when he was a lodger in an apartment in the Bronx, NY, but in the 1920 and 1930 censuses living in Baltimore.
As an educated guess, he didn't enter through Ellis Island (and you won't find him listed there) because he probably came through Baltimore. (IIRC, Baltimore served as the second most active port for immigration on the East Coast in the early 1900s.) Bounel, according to his census data, arrived in the US in 1911. By 1930, he was married and had fathered TEN children. Although his birth year from the earlier census data would probably be 1895, due to the rarity of the name Bounel and other identical demographic characteristics, the Harry Bounel of Baltimore in 1920 and 1930 is very likely the same man as the Harry Bounel of the Bronx enumerated in the later 1940 census.
Could he have relocated to Connecticut later in life before he applied for his Social Security number? Quite possible. Remember that at its outset, quite a large percentage of workers in small businesses were not required to participate in Social Security, so there might have been no need for him to apply for a number until much later, when he may have needed one for Medicare. Furthermore, it is only a short drive from the Bronx into the state of Connecticut.
Could he have changed from "Harry Bounel" to "Harrison J. Bounel" sometime during his life? That's possible as well, and such a change would not even have required a formal legal proceeding.