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To: annalex

right wing, monarchy, paleolobertarianism and nationalism ping list, but it sounds very intriguing! I will read. I’m wondering what paleolobertarianism is - I assume you mean libertarianism. How does that differ from the LP party? Sort of libertarianism without the mandatory vice and open borders?


9 posted on 06/22/2013 12:16:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Yeppers.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 8:10:48 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: little jeremiah
Libertarianism is a recent corruption of the idea of human freedom that is as old as that episode in the Bible when God asked Adam to see if he would be content with the company of animals or would rather have a wife. Once the corruption set foot in the public consciousness, the need for a term with more syllables than Ayn Rand could pronounce arose.

Paleolibertarianism was a term coined by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. whose purpose, according to Rockwell in 1999, was "to recapture the political edge and intellectual rigor and radicalism of the pre-war libertarian right. There was no change in core ideology but a reapplication of fundamental principles in ways that corrected the obvious failures of the Reason and National Review crowd."[1] Rockwell associate, the late economist Murray Rothbard, also wrote about "paleoism" and paleolibertarianism.[2][3] In January 1990 Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. published "The Case for Paleo-libertarianism" in Liberty magazine. He wrote that paleolibertarianism was "based on a libertarian opposition to "all forms of government intervention – economic, cultural, social, international" combined with cultural conservatism in social thought and behavior. It opposes a licentious libertarianism which advocates "freedom from bourgeois morality, and social authority." Citing drug use by libertarians and the nomination of a prostitute as the California Libertarian Party candidate for lieutenant governor, Rockwell asserted that "the only way to sever libertarianism's link with libertinism is with a cleansing debate." Assailing alleged "hatred of western culture," he asserted that "pornographic photography, 'free'-thinking, chaotic painting, atonal music, deconstructionist literature, Bauhaus architecture, and modernist films have nothing in common with the libertarian political agenda - no matter how much individual libertarians may revel in them.

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The root idea as I understand it is that free exchange of goods (material goods or cultural and intellectual goods) is independent of government, precedes the government and can operate today without the government. That is because the role of government as cop and the judge that would catch frauds and thieves are in fact another service that can be exchanged on that very market.

However, while a market can exist without a government and in spite of an existing government, it cannot exist without religion and without a nation. That is because a culture that arises from religion in a nation makes the valuation of the exchange possible. That I think is an idea that goes back to Fichte.

This is, anyway, the sense in which I say "paleolibertarianism".

14 posted on 06/23/2013 8:21:54 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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