Posted on 07/12/2013 7:27:07 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
I suggest that you too might profit from a reading of the book mentioned in post 94. It is sure to enlighten one about the frequently criminal nature of local Confederate government.
And since Lincoln was neither a Joachiamites, Adamites, or a member of the Brethren of the Free Spirit, or a Taborites, or an Anabaptists, or a Digger, or a Ranters, then you are once again wrong.
Lincoln also died before Mao, so again, Lincoln was not and could not have been a Communist.
Wow is there a readers digest version?
Well you and mao would be wrong.
The Austrian Painter was connected through his history of homosexual practices to German commanders. That was how he was so close to Ludendorf at the Munich revolt that got him jailed.
By contrast, the slave power maintained concentration camps for slaves before and during the war. They were called “plantations” and female slaves were routinely raped in them.
You are a funny guy. You just decided he didn't read it because he was too busy? And you know this how? Lincoln only served one term in Congress (during which he voted against closing the slave market in Washington).
Marx wrote Das Kapital in 1867. Certainly Lincoln never had access to the views of class struggle and criticism of the economics of capitalism promulgated there.
You should not comment on things you haven't read. The Communist Manifesto is all about class struggle and the economics of Capitalism. And Marx didn't invent the notion of class struggle anyway. Class struggle was virtually a cliche in political philosophy at that time. For a pre-Marx look at class struggle try looking up Adolphe Blanqui, Destutt de Tracy, Augustin Thierry, Auguste Comte, and Charles Dunoyer.
Lincoln corresponded with Marx on at least one occasion. Marx was writing editorials for the New York Post during Lincoln's tenure in office and supported the North, but poured derision on the notion that the war was about slavery. Marx said the war "turns mainly on the Northern lust for sovereignty."
Lincoln almost certainly would have read the Communist Manifesto. It was a sensation in it's day. Lincoln once argued in favor of protective tariff by clamming that freight charges are "lost labor", invoking the Marxian concept of valuation. It was fashionable at the time.
BTW, the Communist Manifesto isn't a book.
Your argument is essentially that since Lincoln used the word “the” and Marx used the word “the” when speaking English, that Lincoln must have been a Communist.
Lincoln’s stated idea was that as a poor man you had to work, but if you worked and saved your money, that you could eventually work for yourself, and after that hire another to work alongside you, and eventually for.
That was rather different from the idea of Communism, that one should work for the community. Lincoln was opposed to slavery in part because of the horrific methods used by the slave power, and in part because it prevented natural progress among the people who were forced to be slaves.
lost labor was ricardian.
Where did I say anything of the kind.
Marx was a Ricardian. And the Labor Theory of Value was central to his economic thought.
But even in this book dedicated to unionist heroism, one can perceive a separation between those honest hearts who risked their lives on the battlefield for the Confederacy and the loathsome rebel elements who stayed at home to oppress and profit.
Communist Manifesto is indeed a book. Just not a very long one.
Again, Lincoln was dead before Das Kapital was written. Lincoln never advocated the bad ideas in earlier works such as Communist Manifesto, and never cited it as the source of any of his ideas.
Lincoln was indeed opposed to slavery, and helped establish the Republican Party after the Dred Scott decision essentially ended the Whig party. Prior to that, Lincoln had been a Whig.
Glad you agree that one can refer to the labor theory of value without being a communist.
Perhaps there is hope for you.
“You apparently missed reading about the German Bundts both in WWI and WWII.”
MMMMmmm CAKE!
You mean “Bund” not “Bundt” More specificaly the “German-American Bund”
LOL
Karl Marx wrote articles on the American Civil War for Abolitionist ex-Whig and Republican Party co-founder Horace Greeley’s New York Daily Tribune, and had contributed many articles there for a number of years prior to the war.
Stupid fingers don’t know how to spell....they only understand cookies and cake....;)
And you claim that was intentional? Or was it more a testament to the fort and a statement on the miserable quality of the rebel marksmanship?
But the "attack" on Fort Sumter was just an affair of honor.
And your 'affair of honor' started a war that killed hundreds of thousands and devastated the South. Hope it was worth it.
And you accuse the Northerners of saying things without backing them up?
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