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Forced Exposure [A personal reaction to the surveillance state - Excellent]
Groklaw ^ | August 20, 2013 | Pamela Jones

Posted on 08/20/2013 9:38:05 AM PDT by No One Special

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Powerful statement on the surveillance state by the owner of an award-winnning website dealing with law and the free software movement.
1 posted on 08/20/2013 9:38:05 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Thank you BTTT.


2 posted on 08/20/2013 9:42:01 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: No One Special

bkmk


3 posted on 08/20/2013 9:48:14 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: No One Special

This is unbearably sad.

The dawning awareness, that we aren’t in Kansas any more Toto : |


4 posted on 08/20/2013 9:51:47 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: No One Special

This is a powerful reason to defund the NSA, prosecute the people who are letting it shit all over our liberties, and then impeach the President who is persecuting the one person who stood up to this tyranny.


5 posted on 08/20/2013 9:59:24 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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No part of the federal government is going to willingly forego what it has done it the past. The federal government is a power magnet. It craves power. It will expand until it collapses, and it will conduct surveillance as it sees fit. No law, no Court, nothing will slow it down. It is unable to control itself.

You are essentially suggesting that the feds prosecute themselves for activities that it (the federal government) believes are legal and constitutional. Congress is going to wet itself trying to show the people how much it cares about privacy (but it only cares about its elite self), and there will as much "show" as Congress thinks is necessary to fool the public.

6 posted on 08/20/2013 10:10:02 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: No One Special

She already made herself a political target by mentioning scripture.


7 posted on 08/20/2013 10:10:25 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: No One Special

I continue to be amazed how a handfull of savages have frightened Americans into giving up everything to be “safe”

Never let a crisis go to waste.

A dirty nuke in a major city and we will all be running around naked, spreading our cheeks for inspection, and asking “May I have another, PLEASE...I’m Oh so scared.


8 posted on 08/20/2013 10:16:28 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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I'm not a political person, by choice, and I must say, researching the latest developments convinced me of one thing -- I am right to avoid it...

If she's not willing to take a stand politically, she really has no grounds to complain.

9 posted on 08/20/2013 10:31:15 AM PDT by gogeo (I didn't leave the Republcan Party, it left me.)
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To: No One Special

Just encrypt your emails with PGP. How hard is that?


10 posted on 08/20/2013 10:39:12 AM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: No One Special; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; ...

Earlier article here.

11 posted on 08/20/2013 10:44:27 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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“You are essentially suggesting that the feds prosecute themselves for activities that it (the federal government) believes are legal and constitutional.”

No, I’m suggesting that our government no longer gives a damn about our Constitution and that it’s coming on time for the states to retake control of the Federal government and then try and execute those who have trampled on our rights so badly as to make King George III look like a libertarian.


12 posted on 08/20/2013 10:52:49 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: Dan Cooper

“Just encrypt your emails with PGP. How hard is that?”

Do you really think PGP hasn’t been breached?


13 posted on 08/20/2013 10:53:30 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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-- No, I'm suggesting that our government no longer gives a damn about our Constitution and that it's coming on time for the states to retake control of the Federal government and then try and execute those who have trampled on our rights so badly as to make King George III look like a libertarian. --

Well, you suggested defunding the NSA, that's not a state function, and impeaching the president, and that's not a state function either. Likewise, the prosecution (of those responsible) would be, I think, for federal constitutional violations, and that issue will ultimately land in a federal court.

My point was that the federal courts and Congress are skilled at lip service, and won't do anything to curtail the power and encroachment of the federal government. The federal government is all about (and I agree, it is unconstitutional) expansion of its own power.

When the states have stood up to the feds, for example Arizona on immigration, the feds won the battle - every . single . time.

14 posted on 08/20/2013 11:01:01 AM PDT by Cboldt
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no part of the federal government is going to willingly forego what it has done in the past

I agree with you that a government, any government, is like a living being, a monster that wants to continually grow larger and more powerful at the expense of the governed. Checks and balances are supposed to stop government overreach, and when they don't there's no going back to what we've lost.

But at some point that big, bloated, over-reaching government has to collapse. When (not if) it does, things will become more local. Some areas will do okay, some not so much. I'm coming to think that the sooner the global and federal governments collapse, the better. At least now, there are still some people who have acquired survival skills. What's it going to be like in a few more generations, if there's no one left who knows how to survive?

15 posted on 08/20/2013 11:02:22 AM PDT by grania
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If she's not willing to take a stand politically, she really has no grounds to complain.

standing for the rule of law has nothing to do with politics. I think it self evident that it does no good to 'make a stand politically' when there are zero alternatives.
16 posted on 08/20/2013 11:03:50 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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Standing for the "Rule of Law?"

How quaint. How precious.

What she (and you) obviously don't understand is that the "rule of law" has EVERYTHING to do with politics...because if you're being mugged, it does little good to wave a copy of the Constitution at the mugger.

We were given this Republic, and we've done a poor job of keeping it.

17 posted on 08/20/2013 11:29:10 AM PDT by gogeo (I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.)
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To: No One Special

Bump


18 posted on 08/20/2013 11:37:32 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: grania

Normally I’d buy the ‘eventual collapse’ argument.

However, I propose that the recent oil and gas discoveries have taken our government off life support and extended the time until collapse almost indefinitely.


19 posted on 08/20/2013 11:39:18 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: MeganC

You think that public key cryptography has been broken? Why do you think that and what are you doing on the internet if you believe that to be true?


20 posted on 08/20/2013 11:47:16 AM PDT by Dan Cooper
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