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To: rolling_stone

Read the Blackstone quote and origins of the law quotes.

Blackstone was followed throughout, and British law was followed throughout. They were used in 1790, 1795, 1802, etc.

So, the DEFINITION AND USE of “natural born” did not change from the way the British had used it.


25 posted on 09/02/2013 10:30:27 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

no use trying to reason with you, you have obviously not followed the last 5 years discussions. We are not subjects like the brits were and it is a big difference when it comes to nationality. If we followed
British law we would still be “subjects”. Congress cannot pass a law to change the Constitution, it must be changed by a Constitutional Amendment. try doing a little more research.
regards


30 posted on 09/02/2013 10:39:25 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: xzins

“So, the DEFINITION AND USE of “natural born” did not change from the way the British had used it.”

Silly rabbit, this is the United States of America. We are governed by United States law. We had just rejected British rule and wrote our own constitution. Making the phrase natural born Citizen, meaning, born in the country by two citizen parents, the Supreme law of the land. The framers and founders understood this to be the meaning of natural born Citizen. Blackstone was not a framer or founder or an American. While he was a famous figure and we were FORMER British subjects, we were forming a NEW nation with its own laws with differences.

It doesn’t matter what Blackstone said, it only matters what the founders & framers said. What was the framers “original intent” with substituting “natural born Citizen” for “Citizen” in the constitution? It was because they wanted a stronger check on the president/command in chief, from foreign influences. The founders & framers referred to Vattel many times in their discussions. It is most likely that definition of natural born Citizen was most likely used. Born in the country, by two citizen parents. A much stronger check than just being a native citizen.

… the United States recognizes the U.S. citizenship of individuals according to two fundamental principles: jus soli (right of birthplace) and jus sanguinis (right of blood). From the office of Citizenship and Immigration Services
http://birthers.org/misc/logic.htm

A natural born Citizen meets BOTH these requirements, TWICE the strong check of citizen only meeting one of them. This is the strong check that the founders & framers wanted, insisted on, and put in the constitution.


112 posted on 09/02/2013 1:42:13 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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