[cotton1706]

The 16th amendment basically overrode the apportionment clause:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

[cotton1706]

Although, on reading it, that refers to an income tax. So you may be right. Never mind.

[Cyber Liberty]

The subject matter being taxed is a failure to have federally approved health insurance which triggers the tax and obviously excludes this taxing power to be used to levy the shared responsibility payment.

I like your definition best (above), but I think to Roberts, who was looking for some way, any way to justify this, the subject matter being taxed is "existence," which makes it a Capitation Tax? I think that's an incorrect view, because you can avoid the poll tax by purchasing something. IANAL, so my opinion on this isn't worth much, admittedly, but it seems to me one has to consider the insurance premiums a Capitation Tax, and that violates all the words in Webster's Dictionary.

[Da Bilge Troll]

I believe you are correct, however John Roberts said it didn’t matter and only his opinion counts.

[firebrand]

Good points. Listening to Harkin defend the ACA, one can see that it is income redistribution. He’s talking about all the new benefits some people will get (while other people, the ones who have been responsible all along, will have to pay for them; he doesn’t mention that part of it, of course). He thinks he’s making such amazing sense, but he’s just enumerating the specific ways in which income will be redistributed.

[CivilWarBrewing]

Open heart surgery is now a tax.

FUJR!

[Graewoulf]

MAKE DC LISTEN: TELL YOUR SENATORS TO OPPOSE CLOTURE ON H.J. RES 59
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[Talisker]

And so, if Roberts was right and the individual mandate is an exercise of the taxing power, the question remains unanswered as to what tax authorizes Congress to enter a State and directly tax the people therein for not having federally approved health insurance?

I have posted this many times, and, because it directly deals with the survival of the country, I will now post it again. Hopefully, someone will read it.

But in short, what it says is that Roberts addressed the fact that this "healthcare" law was placed within the tax code.

Ever wonder about that? Ever wonder why, since it's so huge, it's not just it's own section of federal law, like any other section of federal law?

That's what Roberts drilled in on. You use words like "individual" and "the people" without realizing that the tax code specifies these as very different things. "Individuals" and "persons" are not the same as "the people" - the former are corporate entities or people with corporate authority, and the latter are non-corporate human beings.

What Roberts ruled was based on these distinctions. He ruled that yes, Congress can tax a corporation any way it wants, but it cannot so do so to a non-corporate human being. And that that distinction applies to Obamacare.

But did anyone GET that? It certainly doesn't seem so.

If you want to read the details, and see what Roberts really did, and how brave and valuable and freeing his ruling actually was, read the following. Because we don't have to overthrow Obamacare if it doesn't apply to us in the first place, and THAT is was Roberts REALLY ruled.

One Stone, Two Powers: How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America