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To: searching123
By their fruits ye shall know them...

NO, I haven't read the investigative files from the FBI. Instead, I was on the ground, so to speak during the era, in the DC metro area.

Whatever the FBI Files say, my personal observations were what they were. You can break the civil rights movement down and say the front men were squeaky clean. Most Communist or criminal enterprises are that way.

However, at ground level, the movement was about more than who rode where on the bus or drank out of what water fountain or sat at the counter in Woolworth's. Even LBJ's redistributionist policies, AKA: "The Great Society" smacked of Communism, with the government seizing the assets and using them to make a segment of the population dependent on handouts.

However, there was within the movement at the grass roots level a strong push toward not just equal rights, but social disruption. You speak of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., I speak of H. Rap Brown, Stokeley Carmichael, and Eldridge Cleaver--and know of an associate of theirs who was arrested by the FBI. Yes, Virginia, the movement was infested with Communists, who, as such infiltrates often do, influenced, but did not necessarily lead. They later reared their heads as affiliates of such organizations as the SDS, the Weathermen, and were involved in major riots and destruction in a number of US Cities--a paradigm that just won't go away whenever a particular group of people take offense.

The disruptions may have occurred without the express approval of the leadership, but they occurred nonetheless.

As for Che, it is ironic that a murderer of peasant farmers is held up as an icon of resisting injustice.

from your link: "The Negro resolution adopted by the convention discarded the party's historic position advocating 'self-determination' meaning that Negroes should be given the right to form a separate nation in the Southern States...", the statement indicates that that was the plan, or a plan, otherwise it would not have been discarded. Obviously, any such plan would be flawed if the ultimate goal was the destruction of the United States. While a portion might be carved off, it would be then left to its own devices to sink or swim. That would likely mean that it would become capitalist, not communist, because the best examples of success were capitalist ones in the experience of those who would be taking over such a republic.

In the end, it would be far more destructive to create a perceived underclass, encourage economic dependence, excuse underachievement, and promote class rivalry, and blame that on past events rather than present actions (or the lack thereof). Rather than isolate this force, keep it widespread within the whole of the nation to foment unrest whenever needed.

By accident or design, this is what happened, and the decay of race relations in this country can be attributed largely to the State sponsored destruction of the family, enabling through entitlements (Welfare), and Socialist programs which encourage underachievement by the masses.

To continue the quote: The 1959 convention resolution hence represents a party admission that its position concerning Negroes is bankrupt. Time itself has shown that the party is not interested in the welfare of the Negro, but only in using him as a tool to advance party interests.

While the idea of a separate republic may have been bankrupt, the latter still prevailed within the Communist ranks, and still does. It is no accident that many of the CBC are also Socialists.

29 posted on 12/17/2013 12:27:10 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Smokin: You are overlaying your personal political opinions, beliefs, assumptions, and preferences over factual information which can be ascertained from historical records.

Here is the way this works:

1. You have a personal subjective OPINION.
2. You then artfully select any bit of “evidence” which seems to conform to your personal opinion
3. Then, that “evidence” becomes a “fact” which controls all of your subsequent analysis and conclusions

This is precisely what the Birch Society did.

1. The JBS arrived at horrific subjective personal opinions about the character, integrity, and loyalty of many prominent Americans.

2. It based its judgments and evaluations upon its unproven predicates and subjective assumptions.

3. Many of its judgments, evaluations, predicates, and assumptions were FACTUALLY FALSE — but, nevertheless, they controlled all subsequent JBS discussions about the matters under scrutiny.

4. As a result, JBS founder Robert Welch declared that most of our Presidents and prominent political figures in the 20th century were Communist traitors or Communist “agents” — simply because those individuals expressed viewpoints or adopted policies which did not conform to the personal preferences of Robert Welch.

5. Robert Welch would then make his argument based upon the premise that “By their fruits ye shall know them” -— and he (and the JBS) would immediately discard, de-value, or dismiss any contradictory evidence.

As the famous philosopher of science (Karl Popper) observed, in the universe of available data one can ALWAYS find “confirmations” for whatever ideas one wants to believe. However, factual truth can only be discovered by acknowledging and falsifying CONTRADICTORY evidence.

Your approach to this subject matter is entirely consistent with how the Birch Society arrived at its conclusions. It is, therefore, VERY significant that when the JBS (and its surrogates) were put into a courtroom environment (as a result of defamation lawsuits), they almost always LOST — because in the courtroom, subjective opinions, hearsay, gossip, rumor, unproven predicates, derogatory assumptions, and rank speculation are NOT permissible.

The most famous example of your (and JBS) methodology was revealed in the historic precedent-setting libel lawsuit brought by Chicago lawyer Elmer Gertz whom the JBS described in an article it published in its monthly magazine as “a Communist fronter” and a “Leninist” engaged in a “conspiracy” against Chicago police.

The JBS employed your “By their fruits ye shall know them” methodology and your “accident or design” arguments against Gertz.

After 14 years of litigation, including 2 different jury trials, numerous appeals, and review by the U.S. Supreme Court, the JBS paid Gertz $100,000 in compensatory damages and $300,000 in punitive damages for malice. As you may know, punitive damages are only allowed when “malice” can be shown. Malice, in legalese, refers to “reckless disregard for truth” arising from evil intent and a desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering.

As one Appeals Court commented about the JBS article on Gertz observed:

“There was more than enough evidence for the jury to conclude that this article was published with utter disregard for the truth or falsity of the statements contained in the article about Gertz.” [U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, No. 81-2483, Elmer Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 6/16/82, page 20].

BOTTOM-LINE

1. The Negro Soviet Republic strategy of the Communist Party NEVER appealed to any significant number of black Americans (not even black Communist Party members) because black Americans did not want a separate black entity inside the U.S. Instead, they wanted full participation and integration INTO the United States.

2. The Communist Party was never able to attract any significant number of black Americans into its ranks.

The FBI “Security Index” was created to track all suspected or known Communist Party members, Party sympathizers, Party financial contributors, as well as any radicals whom the FBI concluded might be a potential danger to our national security. EVEN WHEN an individual was “cleared” via administrative proceedings by the Loyalty Review Board or Subversive Activities Control Board — the FBI continued to list those individuals on its Security Index!

The Security Index had a column which identified the race of the persons listed. At its peak, there were less than 1800 black Americans on the Security Index and the overwhelming majority of those individuals lived in just 4 states.

3. The “Negro Commission” of the CPUSA frequently lamented how much difficulty the Party had in trying to recruit black Americans and in trying to infiltrate civil rights organizations.

4. In July 1963, J. Edgar Hoover sent a memo to all FBI field offices which advised them of the creation of a new HQ file (100-3-116) which was to be used to capture information regarding “Communist Influence In Racial Matters” as a consequence of the Party’s renewed interest in exploiting opportunities presented by the civil rights movement.

Hoover’s memo portrayed the CPUSA as outsiders seeking to exert influence within legitimate civil rights organizations and it quoted comments by CP leaders lamenting the lack of CP involvement within the civil rights movement. One pertinent excerpt of Hoover’s memo follows:

“In recent weeks functionaries of the CPUSA have made statements which indicate their concern over the lack of Party participation in the current Negro movement. Benjamin J. Davis Jr. remarked on 6/19/63 while attending a meeting of leading CPUSA functionaries...

‘We are witnessing a revolutionary movement in our country, but we are just not in it…’

Irving Potash, on this same date, remarked that ‘we’ are not coming forward. Not writing and not giving leadership. The leadership of the Party, according to Potash, should explore all ways and means for the purpose of playing a bigger role in the struggle.” [Chicago 100-46624, #1; 7/18/63 J. Edgar Hoover memo to all Special Agents in Charge of FBI field offices.]

A few days later, the Chicago FBI field office sent its first report to headquarters on the status of CPUSA efforts at infiltrating civil rights groups. Chicago reported that one CP member had infiltrated NAACP’s Illinois state headquarters, “however he has not influenced the organization in any specific direction as far as Party policy is concerned.” [Chicago 100-46624, #2, 7/24/63 SAC Chicago memo to J. Edgar Hoover]

On February 13-14, 1960, there was a meeting of senior Communist Party officials in the midwest.

Twenty five Party officials representing Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, and Wisconsin attended this closed meeting. Claude Lightfoot, Vice-Chairman of the Illinois CPUSA, chaired the meeting.

Each representative present gave a summary of their attempts to infiltrate the NAACP. The following comments are from an FBI informant who attended the meeting and he may have tape recorded it. The page numbers shown below reflect the page numbers of the FBI summary memo where the comments cited are made. Although this pertains to the NAACP it reflects what FBI files show about the failure of Party members to influence or control our civil rights organizations generally:

Pg.9, Cleveland rep:
“He referred to a period of the late 40’s and said at that time the CP had five members on the Executive Board of the NAACP. Now the CP has no members on the Executive Board of the NAACP in Cleveland.” Rep also referred to the “constant red-baiting of local NAACP leaders.”

Page 11: Chicago rep:
“The problem confronting the CP is how to work now in an organization in which it is very difficult to get on a committee and in which the committees do not function.”

Page 11-12: Detroit rep:
“He said it is hard to work in the NAACP in Detroit...He stated that the big problem as far as he is concerned is that the CP says that members should work in the NAACP, but how do you do it? Every time we make a move, we are stopped and stifled. As a result, we are demoralized...In regard to the role of the CP in the NAACP (name deleted) feels that it is correct to work in the NAACP, but it is necessary to do so from a position of strength. But the CP does not have strength at the present time.”

Page 13: St. Louis rep:
“He stated that the CP has no one consistently working in the NAACP in St. Louis.” (NYC 100-80640, unrecorded; 2/17/60 SAC Chicago to J. Edgar Hoover re: 2/13-14/60 CP meeting).


30 posted on 12/25/2013 6:58:22 AM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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