Posted on 12/12/2013 5:30:22 AM PST by dontreadthis
The only way to stop tyranny is strict opposition. To include a secession amendment would in fact tell them, if you persist, then we are not playing your game and are out of here.
Secession need not be violent. That was the fatal mistake of the south when they did it. They made it violent in the beginning. Even US Grant said if they simply would have said “we cant live with you and wish to go our own way”, he would have supported them.
To play with evil by legal means comes to no end. At that time, words mean nothing.
things usually start off politely/with civility, and what ends up changing the discourse is when it becomes obvious to all that full utilization of polite/civil means is not effective. That in itself is a process, and I believe that it will be necessary to undertake it for all to eventually see.
I would agree with a secession amendment as it is a routine inclusion in any contract for the parties to agree to a method of enforcement or dissolution.
The question remains. What is the end result when one side does not live up to its agreement? The must be an end result to terminate the contract. And that is all the constitution is..a contract. But in its present form, there is no way to end the agreement. Keep in mind, that it must be made in a way that secession can be had on a whim. Something let, the seceding states understand that in no way will they be allowed revenues from the former and that will be bound for past debts. And that the seceding states are no longer bound for debt incurred by former states on them. Etc.
Levin is a fraud. That so called expert on the Constitution was cheeleading the patriot act, department of fatherland security and every other foundation of today’s police state. I think I’ll take advice on the Constitution from someone who wasn’t wrong all along.
It all comes down to money and power does it not?
WHO would ENFORCE it??? The very same people responsible for enforcement now; the people and the states. ANY amendment reduced to writing would be a diminution of our present status since WE presently have all powers NOT delegated to the federales under the Constitution. It's very clearly stated; notwithstanding utterances by our would be masters. Our Constitution was written so the average American can understand it. Lawyers and black robed tyrants have made it appear to be beyond comprehension of the proles. Coincidence? Not likely.
The feral government has transcended the bounds self policing because it's what unwatched governments do. Not their fault; it's our fault for lack of vigilance and to a large degree, many wanting a free lunch.
Levin wrongly assumes that rights we already have won’t be taken away and that such a convention would only further add restrictions to the government.
an amendment that requires active enforcement will be circumvented. However, an amendment that changes the playing field establishes a kind of passive enforcement, eg. term-limits, across the board cuts, State veto powers.
Short of electing only the virtuous and educated, IMO simple rules need to be added via consent of the governed now 200+ years after the fact to restore original intent.
I am skeptical that a State Convention can ultimately pull off ratification of an amendment that sets term limits (for example), but I am cautiously optimistic about the effect that the inevitable blowback from Congress will have on the national discourse and subsequent events.
Mathematically speaking, I just can’t see how 38 States would ratify an amendment that takes away any one of our rights.
Practically speaking, many of our rights have already been taken away by 1 Federal Government without having to have amended anything.
the way things stand now, I see no form of escape clause that would be amenable to either side. Events will either restore or change whatever it is that we are presently operating under , and hopefully it will not be shaped by money and power, but by principles used by the Framers. If history repeats, it will come about only after enormous struggle because it takes alot to beat money and power.
“Mathematically speaking, I just can’t see how 38 States would ratify an amendment that takes away any one of our rights.”
Directly, maybe not. Indirectly, absolutely. Wording means everything and we all know what weasels liberals are with words.
Also, we have seen “omnibus” bills, whereby everything including bad law is placed into a single bill and we are held hostage: Vote for it all or nothing.
ObamaCare is an excellent example of how the majority was overruled.
“No person may serve more than 12 years as a member of Congress, whether such service is exclusively in the House or the Senate or combined in both Houses”
have at it...
I’d limit that to 6 years, both houses to 3 year terms. Anyone that can take 6 years away from their other incomes is not a citizen representative but a professional politician.
No one can be president for more than one 4 year term
No one can be in congress for more than 6 years.
No senator can serve more than one 6 year term
No congressman can serve more than 1 four year term.
No one serving the country in elected office in Wahsington can work for any organization that had any dealings with Wahsington for 10 years.
No Congress critter gets more than one bodyguard.
No one working in the federal system, either elected or not makes more money that the median income of the United states.
No special benefits or perks, no congressional lunch room, no special bennies, median health care, no special hospital access, no limos, no aircraft perks, no junkets.
All candidates must submit an up to 24 page booklet to the voters detailing their postions on a number of subjects and any new ideas.
No lobbying will be allowed. Fascist teaming of government and corporate forces will be punished.
Treasonous activities will be ajucated and if found guilty, quickly executed.
that’ll do it
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