Posted on 01/23/2014 4:19:32 PM PST by JOHN W K
An article V convention may sound like the answer but politics being filthy and corrupt, the first thing a Constitutional convention may well do is to eliminate the Second Amendment on the pretense of avoiding Revolutionary war # 2 or what ever other horror they float for that same purpose. That in and of itself may be the impetus that starts the very war it proposes to avoid.
I question their commitment to limiting the Convention of States to an actual ‘Convention of States’ rather than an actual Constitution convention.
They’re going to get co-opted and the real goal will be deflected.
I was on the V’th ping list. Haven’t gotten a ping in a while. Wonder if I was removed or if it was disbanded.
/johnny
And who is it exactly, who is proposing such a thing?
It's one thing to be against something in the abstract; I doubt if you would find a single person on this website, certainly not among the Article V proponents on this site or off, propounding the notion of "putting our Constitution up for grabs". In fact it is to PREVENT such depredations and to restore the Constitution to its proper functioning that such a convention is even under discussion.
I am not certain you fully understand what safeguards are being proposed. This is a law passed in IN dealing with control of the delegates and anything coming out of a state convention.
For instance the law
1) provides that the call by the general assembly for an Article V convention is withdrawn if all delegates and alternate delegates vote or attempt to vote outside the scope of the instructions given by the general assembly.
2) Provides that a delegate or alternate delegate who knowingly or intentionally votes or attempts to vote outside the scope of the instructions commits a Class D felony.
3) Establishes an advisory group to evaluate whether a delegate or an alternate delegate has acted outside the scope of instructions."
What more controls do you believe need to be in place for the states to retake control not of a runaway convention but of this runaway union?
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You really believe that states will ratify the elimination of the 2nd amendment?
Please study the issue and see that states control the content of a state convention not the DNC/RNC. Any suggested changes must be ratified in accordance with Article V.
They can’t just meet at Kansas City Marriott to write a new constitution and say live under it now.
That is propaganda put forward by those which prefer to keep their power by scaring the uninformed.
We have a government that has abandoned the Constitution. The way I look at it, if they totally screwed it up and instituted a tyrannical government, there is always the cartridge box.
Take a stroll through what used to be our beloved constitution, or even just the first ten amendments. How many are in force? Are any of the remaining not under attack?
Reform cannot emerge from Washington, from those who profit so well from a corrupted system. If restoration of republican freedom can come at all, it will be from the states and nowhere else.
Exactly. We have a lawless tyrannical government now.
JWK
.Constitutional Convention Call Redux - Who Is Behind It
JWK
agree, but how does one then explain the government’s enforcement of the 16th amendment since it was never verifiably ratified by enough states but is yet being enforced. This would never play but I would be more apt to trust a convention if there were no lawyers allowed or involved.
At best, they were historically misleading.
That is what the cartridge box is for.
Who is behind the push for a Con-Con call today? What is the Compact for America? Who is ALEC? Who was Henry Hazlitt and Rexford Tugwell? What new Constitution is waiting in the wings, written by the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations? We will answer these questions in subsequent articles.
Answers: NO ONE of any consequence is calling for a "Con-Con". You are beating the wrong horse, on the wrong track in the wrong city. You're just wrong on each and every issue of consequence.
What is the "Compact for America"? Who knows and who cares? It has nothing to do with any effort I am aware of to convene an Article V Convention, nor would it ever.
Who is ALEC? Again, who knows and who cares? Waaay off the target.
Who was Henry Hazlitt and Rexford Tugwell? That's who WERE Henry Hazlitt and Rexford Tugwell, and anyway the question is not particularly relevant.
What new Constitution is waiting in the wings, written by the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations? Jeez, from what sewer is this stuff dredged up? Utterly lame and ignorant, that what all this is.
An Article V convention is nothing more than the States exercising their powers under the US Constitution to propose amendments to the existing Constitution!
It still takes several States to approve the amendments for submission to the other States for approval.
the federal government has no power or authority over this convention and in the event 2/3 of the States vote to adopt the amendments, nothing the federal government can do about it!
The States can regulate what proposed amendments may be presented by either voting to approve them or not approving them.
This is not a run away convention or a convention to eliminate the existing Constitution, instead, Article V conventions were placed in the Constitution to provide the necessary power to the States whenever the federal government began operating as a dictator and refused to follow the limitations placed on it in the Constitution.
An Article V convention is called for by the individual States to submit proposed amendments to the existing Constitution to strengthen it from abuse by the federal government.
If you are so afraid of State power and the American people to reign in this out of control government by an Article V convention, then you simply do not understand how the process works. Purchase Mark Levin’s new book “The Liberty Amendments” and get educated before you shoot of your mouth on a public forum!
No one! The Convention of States and Article V Convention is not a "Constitutional Convention".
It is a grass roots effort to use the tools given us by the founders in order that we would preserve the republic and subsequently our own freedom.
I don't think you understand what the Convention of States movement is.
It also appears that the process laid out in Article V of the Constitution has escaped your scrutiny. Those that wish to ignore this firm element of our country's founding are deserving of the tyranny that is surely coming their way.
Because of the strong majority of States needed to ratify an amendment it is possible that liberals could possibly stop a conservative effort to pass an amendment such as term limits.
But for that same reason it is also dead certain that a liberal take over of the convention or subsequent passage of radical amendments is impossible.
The truth is; most amendments that might be put forth from conservative states would be measured and probably get a lot of independent support. One that I've heard being talked about is that any bills proposed in congress include the names of the people who actually wrote the bill. Another {I've heard] would mandate bills to be single issue propositions enumerated in the constitution.
I can imagine why these ideas would offend the beltway establishment and 'K' street money changers.
Do you even understand the difference between a States convention for proposing amendments to the Constitution and a constitutional convention where a new constitution is written to replace the existing constitution?
For God's sake, no one is proposing a NEW Constitution! Wake up!
JWK
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