Posted on 02/08/2014 1:36:53 PM PST by butterdezillion
For a minute there I thought the country had been hijacked by some muslim/communist alliance, and we were on a fast train to perdition.
Carry on!
I thought I was wrong once but was mistaken.
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I drew the lines a little bit away from where the photo shows the edges, so that people could see that the image itself draws those lines. The edge of the lining can be seen, and the stairstep part is above the line made by the edge of the lining.
It’s something that makes a distinct square - not triangular - edge, and something that has enough width to it that the light reflects off of it. This isn’t a drape.
Maybe it’s a pillow. Most caskets have the head elevated at least a little. But if that’s a pillow they sure didn’t have her head on it. And if it’s a pillow that sticks above the box then it should have shown in the other images. Whatever it was, it should have shown in the other images.
I have outlined the top of the base, and the bottom of the lid. In addition, I have outlined where the puffy-liner which follows the inside edge of the lid meets the smooth top liner of the lid. You can see where the cloth drapes over the rear left hinge of the lid.
The lining isn’t loose like that though.
I’ll have to do some more looking
It’s not triangular and no cover shows up on the “friends” photo. This also seems to stick out farther than the brace does.
The thing that’s conspicuously absent in the Diocese photo is a pillow, unless this is a pillow. But it’s not really in the right position to be a pillow.
The lid support w/cover for Fuddy's casket lid is visible in the KHON video.
Note the cross-section of the lid. Also note that the embroidery on the pall is offset by it's being folded.
It’s not very clear there. On another screenshot I’ve got it does look like there is something blue that comes down in triangular fashion. That doesn’t really seem to match the “Friends” photo, where there is black in the area where the brace is - unless the brace was covered on the inside of the casket but not on the outside. It still doesn’t make sense with the shape in the Diocese image though.
I don’t know.
Notice how many times the pall is folded over, and how tightly. I’m still waiting for you to tell me how you would sew a woven band (having a reverse design on its back side) onto the fabric of the pall, because how it is sewn on would determine how tightly it could be folded over. If you’ve got lots of thicknesses from turning seams under and stitching them to look finished, you end up with an inflexible thick seam like you have for the back seam of blue jeans. That kind of seam would not accordion-fold tightly like that.
There is no question that those are Director Fuddy's relatives gathering around her casket. In the KHON video they can be seen following the casket out of the church. There is no pillow or tier.
And there IS a tier shape (square) in the Diocese photo. That’s what I’m saying.
I wonder why there wasn’t a pillow. A pillow comes standard with the casket, from what I’ve seen, although you can order designer ones.
“And there IS a tier shape (square) in the Diocese photo.”
I see a piece of cloth (probably the cover over the lid support). If it’s lying to the left, it would not show up in the videos that are shot from the left or the right. Only from the front would it be visible.
BTW, the red chairs are clearly on the upper landing and Abercrombie and the podium are at least one step below. And to the right of Abercrombie is the easel that holds the State Legislature’s memoriam, quite a distance from the casket.
There IS a pillow. I doubt that Fuddy’s tuft of hair would be visible without her head being propped up on a pillow. It’s just not a humongous pillow which shows up over the edge of the base. If Fuddy’s head was propped up by a huge pillow, you would see more than a tuft of hair.
You have the identical darker image on a lighter background. Because of the sunlight, it's pretty washed out in the second image, but it's clear they're the same. You can't quite see the edge decoration of the embroidered strip, but it's also obvious that it exists on both images.
It’s the wrong color, and nobody has told me how a piece of brocade would neatly be affixed to the pall cloth allowing the reverse side to be seen, without leaving a thick seam that would keep the pall from being able to be accordion-folded so tightly as is seen in the images.
And that theory also depends on the pall NOT being accordion-folded when this image was taken. How many times do you think they so-very-carefully fold the pall in the course of a funeral?
Thanks for the information you provide and for your dedication and diligence.
It’s absolutely the right color and, after looking at the two images in context, I don’t believe that it is brocade.
The one image is from the family members standing in the center of the church without much sunshine reaching them. The other image is earlier in the morning where mourners are passing past and the Hawaiian sun is brightly streaming in. Both images show a darker flower/cross(?) against a lighter background. It’s obvious in the mourner photo that the pall is over-exposed. But the decorations are absolutely the same!
I don’t know what you’re using as an image editor. A very simple one I’ve used for years is IrfanView. If you bring up the washed out image and start do manual color correction (gamma, saturation) you’ll see that the washed out image more closely resembles the photo taken of it in lower lighting.
So... same pall, different lighting situations.
I’m trying to figure out why you would make up such a story.
Psst....error, not mistake. A mistake is when you dial a wrong phone number.
Right. The pall is “overexposed”, even though the shadow inside the casket shows the light source coming from the direction of Fuddy’s head...
Overexposure can always explain everything, can’t it?
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