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Is It Over, and We Just Don’t Know It?
PJ Media ^ | 2-10-2014 | Tom Blumer

Posted on 02/11/2014 5:51:49 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

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To: Sir Napsalot

I mark the end of the great experiment somewhere between the New Deal and the Great Society.


41 posted on 02/11/2014 7:28:34 AM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“bring back jobs to America.

We have been exporting jobs to everywhere else now, for over an entire generation”

Okay, so we finally get the crux of your posts.

I will say that bring jobs to America sounds better than Bring back American jobs. Bring back American jobs sounds like a one world govt. entitlement program where Americans don’t need to earn the job, they are entitled to them by birthright.

So I guess you don’t give the world much credit for creating their own jobs, they have stolen American ones or American has given the jobs away.

Still it would not hurt to create our own jobs. Seriously, over the last 30 years, I would say that between India and China, over 1 billion jobs have been created. I think I can safely say fewer than 100 million of those jobs were jobs offshored. I think I can claim that without proof because there are only 300 million people in the USA and 10-15 million are illegal, 2 million are in jail, 150 million have jobs and some are retired and some are kids under 12 years old. That leaves less than 100 million people who could possibly work.


42 posted on 02/11/2014 7:28:49 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Sir Napsalot

sowed? sown?


43 posted on 02/11/2014 7:31:14 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: jonose

“Term limit of two terms, should have been for ALL federal offices”

I think for the house of represenatives, it should be 10 years or 5 terms. Or you need to change the house so that 1 term is 4 years. I think 2 terms of 2 years is too short.

However the real problem is not the lawmakers. It is the permanent bureaucracy in DC.

It does no good to change the coach if all the players remain on the team.

Or if the band sounds lousy, changing the drum major isn’t going to help.

You really need term limits for federal employment in DC.


44 posted on 02/11/2014 7:35:30 AM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

“Bring back American jobs.”

No mistake.

Bring BACK American jobs.


45 posted on 02/11/2014 7:35:55 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: kabar
the even that will be cited as the primary cause of the decline and fall of the US will be the Immigration Act of 1965.

I suspect that you're correct, but other factors of the mid-60s will get blame. The VietNam War did not have the clarity of purpose of earlier wars, thus we wouldn't have even known if we did win. Eisenhower warned us of the "military industrial complex" ever striving for more power and control. His presidency does not get the credit he deserves. Technology has had its plusses and minuses.

Which one's irreversible? That would be that immigrants before that time mostly came to the US to work hard and achieve the promise of America. Too little assimilation and too little separation from the rest of the world blurred that.

A went to my 50th HS reunion last summer. It was bittersweet. The people I grew up with are fantastic, many of our dreams fullfilled in life. But for younger generations? It's not the same world.

I ramble. I don't think the promise of the US can be salvaged and brought back to our original exceptionalism. But just as the Roman Empire did, we'll fall, a large part of the culture will be preserved, and some newer, smaller, smarter countries will emerge.

Look at Russia. Is what emerged smarter than the empire that fell? Does it own the future? Who knows?

46 posted on 02/11/2014 7:36:30 AM PST by grania
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To: Viennacon
and when the government actively helps these communities in segregating themselves, it is virtually impossible.

Exactly. Government actually incentivizes group identification thru such programs as affirmative action and minority business set asides that give immigrants advantages over native-born, non-Hispanic whites. Why should someone from Nigeria, India, Mexico, Jamaica, etc. step off a plane and be bestowed with such advantages?

47 posted on 02/11/2014 7:38:05 AM PST by kabar
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To: LyinLibs

That is so crazy that you might be on to something. I don’t read anything in your hypotheses that’s impossible.


48 posted on 02/11/2014 7:39:20 AM PST by grania
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To: Viennacon

“African Americans were essentially assimilated over periods of hundreds of years “

You are joking. I dare you to move into a 90% African American location. Look around, do you call that ASSIMILATION ?.

I’d rather live in a 90% illegal mexican neighborhood than a 90% african american one.

The Mexicans work hard and pretty much leave you alone if you leave them alone.

The black ghetto americans want to rob you and sit on their rears collecting a govt. check and indulge in self pity.


49 posted on 02/11/2014 7:40:54 AM PST by staytrue
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To: yldstrk
what was the percentage foreign born in 1776 pray tell?

Your argument makes no sense because immigrants lived in their enclaves until they or their descendents acclimated to the prevaling culture.

50 posted on 02/11/2014 7:41:31 AM PST by grania
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To: grania
Which one's irreversible? That would be that immigrants before that time mostly came to the US to work hard and achieve the promise of America. Too little assimilation and too little separation from the rest of the world blurred that.

Too many immigrants. We don't need 1.2 million legal immigrants a year.

51 posted on 02/11/2014 7:42:16 AM PST by kabar
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To: staytrue

Exactly.

A lot of African Americans have been taught that we are stealing from them and that they have been robbed by “whitey”

So they don’t see anything wrong with robbing, killing, etc.


52 posted on 02/11/2014 7:42:32 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

This guy understands history and his comparison of Rome, Judea, and America show that ‘those who do not learn from history are deemed to repeat it’....I thought this explained a lot:

http://dataguy-001-site8.smarterasp.net/2013/09/26/The-State-And-Its-Destructive-Power


53 posted on 02/11/2014 7:43:24 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Bring BACK American jobs.”

I see you have doubled down on idiocy.

Please explain to me, which jobs are American jobs and how do you want to bring them back.

TV repairman was a good job. So was making the TV’s with vacuum tubes. Newspaper delivery boy was a good starter job for kids. Maybe we need to kill of electronic transmission of newspapers. Car manufacturing was good when cars lasted about 7 years. Maybe a mandate that cars only last 7 years would bring back American jobs.


54 posted on 02/11/2014 7:46:45 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
enact Tariffs, and grow new jobs.

You reveal your ignorance of economics with that statement. You can have one, or the other, but not both.

55 posted on 02/11/2014 8:04:18 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I disagree.

America needs to protect, and grow, American jobs.

Bring back American jobs.


56 posted on 02/11/2014 8:06:20 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: staytrue

Why did American jobs get shipped overseas?


57 posted on 02/11/2014 8:11:07 AM PST by kabar
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To: staytrue
"Maybe a mandate that cars only last 7 years would bring back American jobs."

I would object to that solution just on the surface of it.

I don't think you really meant to say that, and I understand how that can happen when I get frustrated beyond reason,  brainstorming solutions is okay, but the last thing we need is gov't mandates to fix gov't mandates.

On the surface I would propose lower tax rates by employing a fair tax system, and eliminate about 90% or more of gov't mandates, EPA mandates, Safety mandates, and on and on, with the absolutely out of control regulation. Restore personal responsibility by common sense litigation practices, and so very much more.

Basically restore the Constitution and punish those who violate it, especially those elected to represent us, and who's job it is to protect the Constitution and enforce the Bill of Rights.

The country may survive but IMO, I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime, so little time and so far to get there.

58 posted on 02/11/2014 8:26:25 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: kabar

The UAW labor unions were horrible for the US car industry and the USW (steel workers union) was equally as bad.

Several million jobs went to Japan and Korea.

The Chinese workforce works for about 1/4 what the US workforce will do for unskilled labor. And the Chinese tend to do better work at that end of the pay scale as we are talking about the chinese lower middle class vs. the US underclass.

US military has spent much more than the Chinese or anyone else in the world. That is money the chinese can spend on r and d or infrastructure or reducing debt or buying American assets.

All of these factors mean a loss of jobs.

But China and India have created hundreds of millions of jobs that are unrelated to the USA.

Bottomline: The USA through regulation, the EPA, decline of work ethic, excess military spending, excess govt. regulation, excess taxation, too many attorneys has failed to create jobs and fostered a climate where some jobs have also gone overseas.


59 posted on 02/11/2014 8:27:49 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re an automated posting program that spits out the same spambot message over and over and over to clog this board.


60 posted on 02/11/2014 8:29:56 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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