Posted on 02/17/2014 10:01:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Independently verifiable justifiable use of deadly force versus an incredible unsupported story.
The Zimmerman and Dunn cases have been lumped together by many commentators, but the cases had almost nothing in common.
Based on the evidence presented in court, the Zimmerman jury got it right. Based on the evidence presented in court, the Dunn jury got the murder count wrong in deadlocking — although until they speak, we can’t know why.
Zimmerman’s explanation for the use of deadly force was consistent with eyewitnesses, medical evidence, ballistics, and the forensic evidence.
Dunn’s explanation for the use of deadly force lacked credibility, had no independent supporting evidence, and was inconsistent with his conduct after the shooting.
The only thing in common was the race of the person shot. It’s unfortunate that some people, like Ta-Nehisi Coates in The Atlantic, view the case entirely through a racial lens, not the evidence:
"Jordan Davis had a mother and a father. It did not save him. Trayvon Martin had a mother and a father. They could not save him. My son has a father and mother. We cannot protect him from our country, which is our aegis and our assailant. We cannot protect our children because racism in America is not merely a belief system but a heritage, and the inability of black parents to protect their children is an ancient tradition."
That’s their problem, not ours.
When the choice is racial politics and grievances, or the actual evidence in a case, I’ll take the evidence every time, and so should juries.
In the wake of the Dunn verdict, Zimmerman was interviewed by CNN, an interview that reflected how the media too cannot accept the facts of the Zimmerman case:
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Or he could move to the south side of Chicago. He’d rarely see a white man there.
The jury deadlocked on the charge of murder 2....but did
find him guilty of several charges of attempted murder.
I’m certain the finding for was due to Dunn firing at a
vehicle LEAVING the scene. Never mind that if a badgemonkey
did the EXACT SAME THING AS DUNN DID he would be called a hero, given a medal and treated like a godking.....
As for the murder 2 charge Mr Dunn made the claim of self defense stating that there WAS a gun in the vehicle. Police
did not find one at a later time but that means NOTHING.
Given the type of people involved there is a very high order probability that a gun was present, that the occupants DID threaten Mr Dunn and that after leaving the scene of the crime THEY initiated they hid the gun, got together and agreed on a story and then LIED to the investigators.
We’ll almost certainly never know the full story and the actual truth of what went down in this case.
But we do know that Dunn violated one of the the first rules of concealed carry--AVOID CONFRONTATION.
There may or may not have been a gun in the other vehicle, but before I confront anyone, I know that if they can get out of sight, for even an instant, they will ditch any weapon, illegal substance, stolen goods, or other incriminating evidence they have. Of course they will collaborate on manufacturing testimony, evidence and anything else. The state will not look very hard at them or question them to any great degree.
If my life is in danger, of course I will defend myself, but I am not going to let loud music lead to a confrontation. I will just listen to it and think that this is one reason these guys are unemployable and will always be poor.
We may not like it, and it may be wrong, but I am not ever going to ask a carload of any minority to do anything polite. I may have to swallow some indignity, but I am not going to get a life sentence for it.
No question that Dunn is guilty of felony stupid.
However to convict him required proof beyond a
reasonable doubt. As a juror I would have a reasonable
doubt that a car full of trouble makers did NOT have a
weapon and did NOT display it. Therefore I would not
find guilty on that charge. He will however pay in full
for the attempted charges as he is not one of the badge
wielding anointed who ARE allowed to fire at departing
vehicles with impunity.
Dunn is going to jail. Triple attempted murder 2 does not get community service. His victims attacked him with music. Zimmerman was beaten to a pulp.
He was charged with M1 not M2 on that count.
And if there had been a gun inside that vehicle, when Dunn fired they would have fired back -- but there was no gun and Dunn never mentioned the mythical gun to anybody, even his girlfriend who was right there with him afterwards, until he spoke with his lawyer.
I had seen a report that it was murder 2 that was deadlocked and multiple counts of attempted murder he
was found guilty of.
As for whether or not there was a gun? It’s a matter
of he said/they said. He has a good reason to claim
there was one in the car. The occupants have just as
good a reason to say there wasn’t. Since time passed
between the shooting and LEO searching the car the
question of if a gun was in the car will never be proven
one way or another. It IS however an item that can create
enough reasonable doubt to cause a juror to create a mistrial.
Word.
And the fault for that lies squarely on Dunn. He never called 911 after the incident while the kids did. Their car was available to be searched and nothing was found.
Any juror who convicted Dunn of attempted M2 for those other charges and yet could claim self defense for the primary count truly needs psychological help.
As stated.....Dunn is guilty of felony stupid for sure.
The issue however is that he claimed a gun was
present. There WAS time for a weapon in the car
to be disposed of. The occupants of the car had
as much motivation to lie about a gun not being
present as Dunn did to claim one did exist.
All it takes is ONE juror to buy that as reasonable
doubt. That is how the system works. It can often
lead to a guilty party being acquitted of a charge but
it should if applied correctly lead to a innocent people
not being incarcerated unfairly.
It’s not a perfect system but when it is applied as
intended it is to date likely the best and fairest one
to be had.
The biggest difference? The media had pictures of Martin as a black child-waif, and painted Zimmerman as a white KKK fiend. The truth was irrelevant.
Yeh but the same juror who would have voted self defense on that count then voted attempted Murder 2 on the other counts. That makes no sense.
If you are defending yourself against a gun in the car pointed at you then all 10 shots fired into the car are legitimate self defense -- not just 3.
It is just as likely that some were holding out for Murder 1 and refused to compromise to Murder 2 -- despite the contentions of ABC's legal analysts.
It would be nice if one of the jurors spoke up and told us how the votes went on that count. It's possible that the prosecution already knows and that's why they just released Dunn's jailhouse tapes as further evidence that their charge of premeditation was accurate.
I heard it was the badest part of town...and one needs to be aware of a cat named Leroy Brown.
Chicago Cop accidentally shoots water pipe in South Loop police station
8:12AM Tuesday
February 18, 2014
When the shotgun became part of his story only after he spoke with his attorney . . . I doubt there was a shotgun.
Nothing is safe there! lol
“he hates cans!”
He’ll likely get 40-60 years.
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