Skip to comments.Candidate Scott Lively shocks politicians and audience at Ma. LGBT gubernatorial debate.
Posted on 03/31/2014 7:08:33 PM PDT by massmike
Pastor Scott Lively, an independent candidate for Governor of Massachusetts, shocked the other politicians and audience members at a televised candidate forum on "LGBTQ issues" at the Boston Public Library on March 25. Rather than join in the pro-"gay" chorus, Lively described the truths about those behaviors from a medical, sociological, and biblical standpoint. It was a cold dose of common sense that few there had likely heard before.
The forum was held in the Boston Public Library on March 25. It was jointly sponsored by the homosexual lobby group MassEquality and the left-wing public television station WGBH. All of the declared candidates for Governor participated except the two Republicans, Charlie Baker and Mark Fisher.
All seven of the other candidates for Governor -- both Democrats and Independents, including the current state Attorney General and Treasurer -- enthusiastically voiced their support for the homosexual and transgender agendas and their willingness to advance them in the state if elected.
For most people it's particularly frightening to see the extent that many politicians are willing to bow to the radical homosexual and transgender movement without seemingly any second thoughts. Few pro-family people realize that.
But Lively told the group that as governor he "would ban LGBT propaganda to children." Regarding laws supporting transgenderism he said, "It's perfectly rational and reasonable to exercise discrimination on those grounds . . . We should be helping people to overcome this and not encourage those who persist in the delusion."
The hostility during the event against Lively was fairly dramatic. The crowd of about 150 appeared to consist overwhelmingly of pro-homosexual supporters. There were also about 6-12 Lively supporters there. But just about every time he spoke he was interrupted by loud, rude noises from the audience, which the moderator made little effort to stop. It's been observed that homosexual activists are emotionally much like 10-year-olds, and that was certainly evident there. (Even then, this was actually more orderly than other venues. At least the activists stayed in their seats this time!)
In addition, the other candidates were visibly annoyed with Lively's straight talk. At one point during the debate, Independent candidate Jeff McCormick, who spoke right after Lively, sneered at him and said, "I should win an award after this. Someone owes me a martini."
But watching this was a clinic on how to fight back in a seemingly overwhelming situation. It wasn't an easy venue for any pro-family politician. But Lively took it in stride. He did not take any of the hostile bait thrown at him, nor did he veer from his calm but forceful demeanor. This seemed to make his message all the more powerful.
Here is a sample of three of the questions, and how various candidates (and Lively) answered them.
Q. How do you plan to use your role as governor to make Massachusetts the best place for LGBTQ people to live? And how would you tout these initiatives across the country? And how would you use the governor's office as the bully pulpit?
Joe Avellone. I'm going to have an LGBT Summit yearly to understand the evolving positions and create an LGBT agenda from the governor's office that we will use in the Legislature to make sure that we keep advancing the agenda.
Attorney General Martha Coakley. We just passed the amendment to the bullying bill and we'll make sure it's implemented in the corner office to make sure that LGBTQ children get all the help they need to be good students and have a good future.
Evan Falachuk. The Mass LGBTQ Commission for Youth laid a pretty thorough agenda of items that need to be taken care of. As governor I'll appoint an assistant secretary and someone who's a program manager. You need someone in charge of quarterbacking to make that happen, and that will be a big part of my agenda.
Scott Lively. As governor I would ban LGBT propaganda to children. This is a law that I advocated for in Russia. They have found it to be successful for their society. There remains no objective proof that homosexuality is innate and unchangeable despite decades of effort which means that it is an acquired condition. We must assume that that's true and if that assumption is true, then it is extraordinarily irresponsible to be treating our children as guinea pigs in a massive social experiment. They should be protected from the promotion of homosexuality as good, normal alternative choice for themselves.
Q. Do you support non-discrimination protection for transgender people in public places or accommodations? If so, how do you respond to arguments opposing these protections that provoke controversy and allege public safety issues?
Jeff McCormick. Absolutely I support that. It actually makes my skin crawl to understand how some people can take a segment of our population [and discriminate against it] . . . If I'm having a Catholic wedding or if I'm having a bar mitzvah, it doesn't make sense to me how someone can selectively discriminate in our society at all. To me this is an absolute no-brainer.
Scott Lively. Discrimination based on race, ethnicity, or nationality is completely irrational because those things are morally neutral. But sexual conduct is not morally neutral. And has serious public health, sociological, moral implications. Its perfectly rational and reasonable to exercise discrimination on those grounds. So all the arguments attempting to compare race with homosexuality and transgenderism are simply comparing apples and oranges. I think transgenderism is clearly self-evidently dysfunctional and this it is simply insanity for our society to be embracing it as a normal variant of human sexuality. We should be helping people to overcome this and not encourage those who persist in the delusion.
Juliette Kayyem. Absolutely I would support an inclusion of transgender. Let me be clear on the transgender issue. We can respect other view points, but we're on the right side of history here. Anyone who has lived the last 20, 30, 40 years know that we are on the right side of history. There is only one way forward in Massachusetts, let alone the United States, and its going to be to include transgender, non-conforming gender, however you want to describe the anti-discrimination statute. We should be ahead of this and we are not.
Q. May 2014 is the ten year anniversary of marriage equality. Yet state data shows persistent disparities for LGBTQ youth, especially for LGBTQ youth of color and transgender youth. What do you see as the most urgent needs of this most vulnerable population and how will you measure your success as governor in addressing these disparities?
State Treasurer Steve Grossman. I'm very proud of the Governor who has $38 million in the budget for a variety of mental health services, many of which directly affect LGBT youth and homeless youth and I think that's a budget that we can build on. Even during tough economic times we have to recognize that our most vulnerable populations need to be served on mental health and behavioral health need to be funded adequately.
Juliette Kayyem. I believe a lot of this can be addressed through focusing on kindness. The bullying that occurs against many students that are LGBTQ is unacceptable. It's unacceptable as a legal matter. And as I told you earlier I brought the federal government's first anti-bullying complaint against a school district. It was the football players against the cheerleaders -- but it had a similar focus which was the schools, and the governments that give them money, have the responsibility to make sure its kids are kind to each other . . . I also think straight children of gay parents are also facing discrimination that we can address as well. It begins with focusing on kindness.
Scott Lively. Frankly I agree, that kindness is what the kids need most. I don't think its kind to affirm a dysfunctional sexual identity, that our lives are fluid. If an adult decides they want to identify as a homosexual, bi-sexual, or transgender, that's their choice. But we shouldn't push that on the kids. We should assume that they have the ability to overcome that problem. I was a street kid myself and I knew a lot of people who were struggling with this. Most of them did not want to have a homosexual orientation and if they had had a chance to have counseling for that, they would have taken it. Regarding bullying, I don't think that we should be having bullying policies that force all the kids to be pro-gay when we can solve the problem by teaching them to respect each other despite their differences.
Reaction from the liberal press After the forum finished, most of the press in attendance -- predictably biased against the pro-family viewpoint -- nevertheless seemed to gather around Lively. If nothing else, he stood out as an independent thinker. The other candidates had generally repeated the same rather mindless pro-"gay" political pandering. As one newspaper reported, "Other than Lively, the candidates agreed on most issues."
Many conservatives, including us, have stated repeatedly that the major factor for pro-family losses on these issues has been the almost universal reluctance of politicians and pro-family leaders to tell the truth. Instead, under pressure they usually sink into a mushy morass of political correctness and moral compromise (e.g., civil unions, "gay" adoptions). In our opinion, that's how we lost the major gay-marriage court cases last year and it's how we continue to lose in legislatures, in courtrooms, and in the public square.
Our people, and particularly our politicians, are deathly afraid of being called names or demeaned by the liberal establishment. It's the road to hell.
Without the truth there are no weapons for a fight, only gradual capitulation. But telling the truth forcefully and fearlessly over and over again is the basis of victory over a movement that depends on lies and disinformation for its success.
It's going to be an interesting political summer in Massachusetts.
Candidate Scott Lively shocks politicians and audience at Mass. LGBT gubernatorial debate. Doesn't flinch from the truth!
Im not LGBT LNG CNG BLT HTML AARP HamOnSwiss or any of those and I’m shocked also.
The Russians have seen the truth and passed laws to protect children there from child pornography and pedophiles. It is time for the U.S. to follow suit.
The “L” I understand, the “G” I understand.
But the addition of BT to LGBT is absolutely insane.
What possible political help do “bisexual” people need? What possibly explains them when gays claim they are born gay? Bisexuals just want to be able to have sex with everybody? How nice.
As for transgenders, there is plenty of reason to believe that is a mental disorder. People abusing themselves with hormones, sex change operations, cross dressing.
LGBT is a code for anything goes. And all these politicians repeat it like idiots.
Gays control the media on most levels, including local, now.
Anything remotely conceived as being critical of the gay lifestyle is now attacked by that same gay-controlled media as “Bigotry!!”.
The sheeple are bombarded with gay propaganda from their TV’s every single day, and have been for two decades now. And we can’t figure out why the muzzies want to kill us all?
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I AM SO SICK OF HOMOSEXUALS AND THEIR AGENDA THAT I COULD SCREAM!!!!
How did 3% of the population steamroll the rest of us so easily???
God bless Scott Lively.
In only sane person in the Massachusetts political insane asylum.
By being the ones who write Anti-Bullying Laws to bully us with
Bravo for Scott Lively.
This race should be a good barometer to watch.
Massachusetts started this Gay marriage crap
now its time to see if there is a backlash against
gay everyday 24/7.
May this empower others to speak out against this crap.
I know many are sick of it here in Washington state.
Used to be GBLT, and we called ‘em GIBLETS, which PO’d them... tough cheese, perverts.
Surprised they didn’t cut his mike or something - the last thing the homos want publicized is the truth.
It's not 3% anymore. I'd say it is close to 25% of the entertainment industry and 20% of the MSM. I bet at least 15 to 20 percent of large cities are part of the perverse LGBT community and since it is an acquired deviance, the rates could go much higher as it gains acceptance, especially in the bisexual arena.
They are recruiting your children. If we don't fight back we can become like Sodom, where nearly every adult in the city was a homosexual.
Why did the ‘Q’ get added to the end? What’s that about?
I can only guess they’re trying to hijack the entire alphabet...
I understand that ‘manboyluuuv’ is quite the norm in Afghanistan.
OK. BPL. LGBT. D/R/I. SNAFU.
Go Scott ping
I just listened to all of Scott Lively’s comments in the debate. He was right about everything he said.
The fact that they would have an ltgb debate for the race for governor should tell us everything we should know about how far this nation has fallen.
We’ve got homeless, jobless, those without food, poor schools, government debt, etc., and these FOOLS are debating radical HOMOSEXUAL BS. These FOOLS place their importance way above the basic needs of others far less fortunate. The future of this nation isn’t looking so good right now.
The communist in Russia were a small minority when they took over. If they know their ‘rules for radicals’, minorities can destroy societies pretty quickly.
I love this guy! Speaking truth to evil. He’s a light in a very dark place.
Mike, do you know why Scott has chosen to run as an Independent? I would think that would give the Democrat in the race a huge advantage.
Wow. Change a few words and I would have bet Hitler said this.
Lively SHOCKS LGBTQURYEOWIKDKFLWOIJ community by telling them what they find abhorrent. THE TRUTH!!!
In all my life I have known 2 genuinely gay couples. Both lived with their partners. One couple had a successful business. They didn’t harass. They didn’t advocate. They didn’t agitate for some ambiguous victim designation. They were not displaying their sexuality for all to see.
If I were to arrive on this planet from an alien world I would believe 100% of the population is gay and for some reason they are being kept locked in cages and abused on a daily basis.
“But Lively told the group that as governor he “would ban LGBT propaganda to children.” Regarding laws supporting transgenderism he said, “It’s perfectly rational and reasonable to exercise discrimination on those grounds . . . We should be helping people to overcome this and not encourage those who persist in the delusion.” “
A true and tried American patriot with @@.
Please, don’t help their cause by referring to them as “gay.” They anint gays, they’re HOMOS.
Q is for questioning. In other words those ripe for conversion to the homosexual lifestyle.
> I AM SO SICK OF HOMOSEXUALS AND THEIR AGENDA THAT I COULD SCREAM!!!!
How did 3% of the population steamroll the rest of us so easily???
They have backing by the first gay President?
It not just the 3 percent; a majority of the other 97 percent are solidly for the agenda too.
I live in a heavily blue state and I’m Catholic too. Most of my fellow parishoners are Democrats but among the older ones there isn’t exactly great admiration or tolerance for the LGBT lifestyle. I suspect the older Irish and Italian Catholics in Massachusetts feel the same way though I doubt it would influence them to vote against the Democratic Party. Still, I believe Pastor Lively is going to touch a nerve with a number of voters who are tired of the LGBT agenda being forced into all of our lives. Yes, even in Massachusetts people are getting tired of this.
While this article doesn't address Scott Lively's comments about Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy, it does provide illumination into the character of Scott Lively. May God bless him for voluntarily stepping into lion's den to spread the good news.
> It not just the 3 percent; a majority of the other 97 percent are solidly for the agenda too.
One has to ask oneself - why is the administration, the MSM, and the left so pro homo? I think the goal is disintegration of the family unit and removal of Christianity which is the spine of America. Take that away and you have a very crippled nation with lowered morale and fight in it. Ripe for takeover.
Scott Lively just speaks the Truth like every true Christian should. I read his book, which he co-wrote called the “Pink Swastika”. It is basically about the homosexual movement history, esp. in Germany. The Brownshirts were homosexual and even Hitler was a sexual pervert (Hidden Hitler).
The Gaymafia as Fr. Oko named them in his report to the Vatican who wrote about the homosexuals who invaded the Catholic seminaries, are the most brutal, evil, inhumane people. Degrading, dehumanizing habituated behaviors remove morality and conscience from these men-—and makes it easy for them to defile and harm not only themselves, but even children.
I’m thrilled he is running as an independent. He’s the real deal if you are questioning that and he’s making a stand with God which can never be a bad thing. It’s time for a message to be sent that moral issues will not be ignored in lieu of the almighty dollar. He’s got my vote.
Because for some misguided, unfortunate people, which orifice to use for sex is more important than ANYTHING else.
Because for some misguided, unfortunate people, which orifice to use for sex is more important than ANYTHING else.
So true. Our nation is in financial disarray (some may be in denial) and all these liberal politicians care to talk about is homosexuality.
The left diverts attention away from so many important issues with their immoral causes .... LTGB, abortion, etc.
Respectfully disagree. I don’t think the actual practitioners of the lifestyle number anywhere near that high. They can get a fake boost from young folks experimenting and do false extrapolations from that, but I’ve run across at least one study that says those young experimenters by a vast majority end up straight by adulthood. Now I will grant that some niche industries are probably putting as many on the front line as they can, to give themselves the appearance of greater numbers, but I think that’s being done to deliberately deceive. I would not be willing to accept such a major revision in the numbers without the backing of a creditable study with a statistically useful sample size.
both “lively” and perfect responses: a true conservative.
Oh yes, truth is kryptonite to the left.
The Ma. GOP won’t have him as a candidate.They keep forcing pro-gay candidates like Charlie Baker,Richard Tisei,and Gabriel Gomez on us. For some reason they think being MORE of a democrat than the actual democrats is a winning strategy!
Ah, I see! Sad.
No, I know he's the real deal. MassMike answered my question: the GOP there won't have him as a candidate. That's really too bad, because far too many people will mindlessly vote Republican, while others will vote for him, and it will likely split the GOP vote so that the seat goes to the Democrat.
It was added a while ago, means either queer or questioning (I don’t know the difference between ‘queer’ and ‘gay’). So the whole acronym goes something like this:
Lively is the only sane candidate for Governor of Massachusetts.
I kinda hope Grace Ross runs again.
“How did 3% of the population steamroll the rest of us so easily???”
Simple. The “rest of us” embraced the sexual revolution back in the 60s. Embraced “I am woman, hear me roar”. Embraced psychology and the fabrication of syndromes and mental “illnesses” (used to explain problem people and bad behavior). Embraced divorce and remarriage (creating the vagabonds x-times more likely to________(fill in blank w your choice of errant behavior). Embraced fornication. Embraced the Pill. Embraced abortion. Etc., etc.
In short, godless heterosexuals opened the door to homosexuality and every other perversion because they refused to honor God. Therefore, “He gave them over...”
Scott is an excellent guy. Its a pity that Russia has more sense on this issue than America.
Bookmark, what fantastic points this guy brings up!
The “Q” in the sodomite alphabet soup is for “questioning” ... I think it refers to children whom the sodomites wish to molest.