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Shooting 800 Yards with Iron Sights, See Bullet Trail!
You tube ^ | Apl 8, 2014 | Grzzman

Posted on 04/08/2014 9:05:04 PM PDT by expat1000

Mosin Nagant 91/30 (We don't need any stinkin' smart guns!)

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1 posted on 04/08/2014 9:05:04 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

Lucky shot, after shot after shot. Only in my dreams could I ever shoot like this.


2 posted on 04/08/2014 9:12:21 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: expat1000

Well... I’ve always said I’d rather be lucky than good. :-)


3 posted on 04/08/2014 9:12:41 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

LOL!


4 posted on 04/08/2014 9:13:14 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: expat1000

And the government wants all the AR-15s,,,, then they’ll be safe. (shaking head)


5 posted on 04/08/2014 9:24:52 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: expat1000

And bear in mind, that’s at a point target. A company of soldiers, shooting at an enemy position in volley could deliver effective fire at even further range.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 9:27:02 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: expat1000

I couldn’t see a bullet trail.


7 posted on 04/08/2014 10:01:40 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: doc1019

I shot a friend’s Mosin about a year ago. Much bigger kick than I expected. Very nice trigger. Very nice sights. It was a pleasure to shoot. About 100 years old and still a scary deadly weapon.


8 posted on 04/08/2014 10:05:52 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Lucky you, I would love to have the privilege to shoot such a weapon.


9 posted on 04/08/2014 10:07:53 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: humblegunner; Eaker; 50mm; TheOldLady; Lazamataz

Of interest to Mosy fans.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 10:10:03 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: doc1019

tnoutdoor9 has youtube video of him shooting an M1 carbine over distance (300 yards IIRC) and you can see the air disruption of the bullet zipping to the target plate and impacting ... then the sound comes back to the camera.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 10:10:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN

That guy can flat out shoot and the Mosin remains the best investment money can buy right now IMHO.


12 posted on 04/08/2014 10:15:39 PM PDT by volunbeer
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To: expat1000; mylife

Ping


13 posted on 04/08/2014 10:19:34 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: volunbeer

I have never shot my 91/30 beyond 200 yards. That is the far reach of our club range, but it is also the far reach of my e\old eyes. The target has to be bigger than a milk jug, though I have hit a water filled one at 200 yards (1 out of five shots; the last shot hit after I walked the impacts in adjusting my sight picture). I like to use Soviet surplus or Winchester non-corrosive.


14 posted on 04/08/2014 10:21:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: volunbeer

Widener’s still has a few of the 44 carbines for sale, bayonet attached. I want one for collection only, but can’t bring myself to spend the $199 plus tax and background check for it.


15 posted on 04/08/2014 10:23:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: dr_lew

The bullet trail is the little distortion that arcs high above the target. The bullet drop at 800 yards is going to be substantial, so the bullet takes a high arcing path.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 10:30:10 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: shibumi; TurboZamboni

I hope I phrase this question right (my long gun experience has been limited to a few magazines with an AR 15 and a semi-auto AK-47 at 180 yards at a rental range) (I did ok…)

With the Mosin’s sights set for 800 yards, I guess he’s still seeing the target line up in his sights?

But whats the effective hold-over at that range? I saw the heat trail in that video and it seemed like a heck of an arc.

Appreciate the explanation/clarification.


17 posted on 04/08/2014 10:32:33 PM PDT by Yehuda (Search youtube and listen to "Islams Not For Me".)
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To: dr_lew

It was a distortion in the air, a little hard to pick up on at first. I’ve never seen that caught on video before.


18 posted on 04/08/2014 10:35:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: doc1019
Put me in the unimpressed category. Marine qualification used to include 500 meters slow fire prone at a 20" bull and the better shooters nailed all 10 shots. Those were M-1 and M-14 with iron sights.

This clown used a bipod, not a proper prone position? Geez, why not give him a scope to top it off?

Not bad shooting, but certainly no big deal, other than to those that have only shot using scopes.

19 posted on 04/08/2014 10:39:23 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: MHGinTN

I have several and I have a 250m range on my property. While I respect iron sights, my objective this year is to drag out all my 91/30’s and find the one that is most accurate.

I am going to have the bolt turned down professionally and mount some glass on it. The rest of them will be cleaned and go back into storage. I have a good amount of surplus ammo and will figure out which round it likes and stick with that.

They are capable of great accuracy, but like every other rifle you must find the ammo that it likes.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 10:41:12 PM PDT by volunbeer
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To: Yehuda
Take the muzzle velocity of the bullet used and average that with the advertised speed at 100 yards, then calculate the amount any mass drops according to gravity in the time the bullet would take to make the 8oo yard trip. The rear sight of the Mosin is in meters, so the conversion should be done once the drop is calculated.

Here's rough/over simplified example. A bullet is said to have a 2000 feet per second average between the muzzle and 100 yards. 800 yards is 2400 feet, so it will take the bullet roughly 1.25 to 1.5 second to reach the target at 800 yards/2400 feet. Gravity is an acceleration fall rate. 32 feet per second per second. The object falls half the 32 feet in the first second and is falling at a rate of 32 feet per second at the end of the first second. So the bullet will drop approximately 16 feet to the target. The aim point of the barrel core should then be approximately 16 feet above the target.

21 posted on 04/08/2014 10:43:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Yehuda
I think this chart will give you some idea.

The drop to zero at 200 yards is close to a foot.

At 500 yards it has dropped close to five feet. So at 800 yards he has to be aiming around 7 feet over the target to get to zero.

Note that this chart is made using the shorter M44, so the drop is probably slightly less with the 91-30.

22 posted on 04/08/2014 10:44:13 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi
Extending my hypothetical example ... 'Or you can use a well designed chart which assumes the velocity for known loads and bullet weights.' ;^)
23 posted on 04/08/2014 10:49:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Fido969

Ok, yeah, I saw it. Very definite in the slo-mo.


24 posted on 04/08/2014 10:51:10 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: MHGinTN

I don’t know how to do that calculatin’ stuff.

So I just searched for a chart and there it was.

Math/physics genius I’m not. But if I know how high to aim, I can get by.


25 posted on 04/08/2014 10:54:04 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Just add the two distances and drops together? That doesn’t seem right. Surely it would exponential, the drop at 4X the distance being much more than the 28 ft that method results in.


26 posted on 04/08/2014 11:16:03 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

I really don’t know.

The furthest out I’ve shot was 300 yards.
That was so long ago that I’ve forgotten how far over the target I aimed. And I wasn’t using a Mosy.


27 posted on 04/08/2014 11:23:50 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: expat1000

Actually, now that I look at the chart more closely, it bears out what you’re saying.

Two and one half times the distance resulted in a five fold increase in drop. So at an even greater distance, the increase would (I suppose) be even more dramatic.


28 posted on 04/08/2014 11:47:59 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: doc1019

They are still cheap and so is the ammo. Rifle is $130 and 440 rds ammo is $90. Get it now if you want one because the prices on both have doubled in the past couple of years.


29 posted on 04/09/2014 2:43:53 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: shibumi

Thank you for the ping, Sensei.


30 posted on 04/09/2014 2:47:39 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: MHGinTN

$199 isn’t a bad price for a m44 carbine (Chinese T53 ones are still cheap, approx. $125) since Big 5 wants $200 for their basic Mosins when not on sale. Cabelas has had some decent sales on 91/30 models.


31 posted on 04/09/2014 3:27:28 AM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: jospehm20
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32 posted on 04/09/2014 3:49:29 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Instead of Mosin Nagant they should rename it Ivan Attitude.


33 posted on 04/09/2014 5:15:52 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: shibumi

Well... no kidding. That is how physics works for EVERYTHING. Gravity causes an acceleration after all.


34 posted on 04/09/2014 6:08:18 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

I’m jes sientificlee iggernant.


35 posted on 04/09/2014 6:34:31 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: dr_lew
I couldn’t see a bullet trail.

trail looks like heat coming off street. That round was really lobbed in there.

36 posted on 04/09/2014 7:05:42 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: expat1000

Love watching the air disturbance showing the bullet drop. Neat stuff.


37 posted on 04/09/2014 8:45:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: shibumi

Cool.


38 posted on 04/09/2014 5:35:17 PM PDT by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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