Calvin H. Johnson’s attack upon the apportionment of direct taxes

5/11/14 | johnwk

[HMS Surprise]

I wish that Freepers were more cognizant of the taxing clauses in the Constitution. The current taxing scheme (income tax) is without question de facto extra-constituional. Has any of the prohibitive taxing clauses ever been repealed? No direct taxes etc? Of course not. Ignorant people will ALWAYS be slaves.

[all the best]

You, good sir, are from another planet where, reason, decency and common sense prevail. Here people are just interested in getting their hands on other people’s money and politicians are eager to oblige in return for votes and power. Give all my best to the good people on your planet.

[Nifster]

The 16th amendment is still acknowledged as functional.

You can try all you want ( as have others) to dance around all of it. Those folks are all in jail and have heavy fines.

Go ahead don’t pay your taxes and tell the IRS how right you are. We will write to you behind bars

[HMS Surprise]

21 years ago everyone around me said the same thing. Understand?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Once they get their "wealth" tax, it won't be long before all the "wealth" is in the hands of the oligarchs, because the oligarchs will not be paying any "wealth tax." Their store-bought legislators will see to that.

[HMS Surprise]

And besides, you like everyone else simply refuse to dig, which is required. I’m not saying the 16th doesn’t conform with other aspects of the constitution. Maybe you didn’t notice my “de facto” clue. The income tax is legal, just misnamed. Here we have the classic problem. You pay, therefore you hate on non-taxpayers. I tell the truth, income is corporate profit, and no less a bureaucratic entity than the Supreme Court has declared that to be the case. Everyone I know cheats on their taxes except me... Hate on me if you wish, you cheat too I would wager.

[HMS Surprise]

Still not behind bars, still never been arrested, still a freeman. Understand?

[JOHN W K]

During my 35 or so years in the fight to restore the miracle our founders left for us, I have noticed there are two specific issues which false leaders will not discuss. The first is the brilliance and wisdom of our Constitution’s original tax plan, including its rule of apportionment. The second issue is our Founder’s specific intentions forbidding notes of any kind, and would include Federal Reserve Notes, from being made a legal tender in payment for either public or private debt.

Our founders lived under the tyranny of dishonest money and despotic taxation, and they provided specific protections in our Constitution against these tools of oppression which have long been used by dishonest and corrupt governments to enslave and steal the wealth which the people have produced. And yet, which of today’s “leaders” is there to address these issues as our Founders did when framing and ratifying our Constitution?

Tell me, have you ever heard one of our so called “conservative” talk show hosts ever explain how our constitution’s original tax plan was intended to operate, especially as it relates to the rule of apportionment? And when I say “conservative” talk show hosts, that would include include Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Doc Thompson, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz, Mike Huckabee, Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, Herman Cain, etc.. To the best of my knowledge, not one has discussed our Constitution’s original tax plan as it was intended to operate! But they all will talk about and even promote various tax schemes cooked up by our Washington Establishment which are intentionally designed to keep the iron fist of our federal government around the necks of America’s productive citizens and businesses.

For example, Mark Levin, who is embraced by “conservatives’ promotes a flat income tax with one of his “liberty amendments”. keep in mind a flat tax calculated from incomes, even if “flat”, does absolutely nothing to remove the iron fist of our federal government from the necks of America’s hard working productive citizens and business owners.

Does a flat tax end our despotic federal government from arbitrarily deciding what is and what is not taxable income? No! Does it end our Washington Establishment’s use of taxation to intentionally seek out America’s productive hard working citizens and transfer the bread they have earned to a dependent voting block who prostitutes their vote for free government cheese? No! How about the devastating and slavish manipulations carried out under this socialist tax calculated from incomes? Does a flat tax end that? No! Or, would a flat tax end taxation being used as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes while rewarding the friends of a tyrannical bloated federal government? Heck No! So why is Mark Levin comfortable with promoting a flat tax calculated from incomes and apparently rejects the wisdom and brilliance of our Constitution’s original tax plan? Is it out of ignorance, or even worse, intentional?

JWK

”Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.

[HMS Surprise]

I know. And also I have noticed that EVERY talk show host has his or her “IRS-neutralizing” company advertising. Doesn’t this just keep the IRS palatable? Even make it seem wonderful that you could owe thousands and magically make it all go away? Isn’t that a great scheme?! Good cop, bad cop... IMHO. It stinks.

[JOHN W K]

You are absolutely correct! And the “temporary” Victory Tax of 1943 did exactly what you say. It shifted the federal tax burden in a manner to include taxing the bread [earned wages] which working people earned. But not to fret, it was sold to these poor souls as a “temporary” patriotic measure to fund the war! Unfortunately, our hard working people living in our nation’s inner cities, some of whom work two jobs with the hope of removing themselves from exiting conditions, find they are still to this day compelled to pay this temporary tax which is really designed to keep them bottled up in poverty and dependent upon government for their subsistence, and literally are forced to prostitute their vote for “free” government cheese

JWK

If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along withFREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obama’s Marxist Free Cheese Democracy, which is designed to establish a federal plantation and redistribute the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

[Nifster]

Pass the tin foil

[Nifster]

Ever heard of Irwin Schiff?

[HMS Surprise]

Sure. I’ll play along.. Why? Does it prove something in your mind that I have heard of Irwin Schiff? Does it prove something in your mind that people like you, who know nothing, will convict people who know the truth? But as for Schiff, he was right in his efforts, wrong in his understanding, and he will therefore forever be a person that real tax cheats like you, point to.

[HMS Surprise]

There are 300 million tin-foil wearing slaves in the country. You are one. Own it slave.

[JOHN W K]

Great response, especially to an Obama paid troll!

JWK

If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?

[JOHN W K]

Are you really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

JWK

They are not “liberals”. They are conniving Marxist parasites who use the cloak of government force to steal the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create

[MamaTexan]

This is a brilliant explanation on the Constitutional mechanics of taxation, but I'll take great exception to this part:

The irrefutable fact is, Congress does have authority to lay a capitation tax which is a direct tax, and is levied directly upon the people by Congress.

NOWHERE is there Constitutional authority to directly tax the people despite any Amendments that have been added to the document.

The capitation tax is calculated based on the population, but all payments for such a tax to the federal government must STILL pass through the proxies of the People...the States.

The feds calculate it, inform the States of the amount, then it's up to the States to collect it and pass it back up the taxation food chain.

[Nifster]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA..... you really ought to go out on the road. Your comedy routine is too funny

[Nifster]

How about Warren J. Burdett, Christopher and Pamela Harrison,Scott D. Haynes, Kenneth Heath, Joseph Letscher, David Middleton, Robert L. Mosel,[50] James C. Payne,David G. Pflum, and Steven A. Swan?

You claim Schiff did not understand and yet he made the exact same arguments that Johnson and you have.

You can blather all you want. You can pretend you are oooooohh so special. But I call you out here and now. IF you work for another then your taxes are already withheld regardless of what you want to call them. IF you are completely self sufficient (which I highly doubt since you have a computer and a connection) then you have no income and wouldn’t be taxed on that anyway.

You are playing a game of semantics and trying to put yourself out there as a tax protestor. You are most definitely not.

DOn’t bother to respond. All your responses are of the you are a slave don’t be a hater category.....How very Beyonce of you