Posted on 05/20/2014 12:44:30 PM PDT by Pharmboy
Did his Jewish mother switch religions?
I don’t think there’s any question that mom was Jewish. There’s a question whether she converted before birth, or after her father’s (a Rabbi) death. I’m OK with describing him as a Jewish heretic. Not the first Jew to do bad things after adopting another religion. But in fact, by his mid 20s he was an atheist and prominent Jewhater.
A Jew can fool even himself for a very long time, but in the end, he can never avoid being a Jew. One of the tasks of gentiles is to make sure of that, though free will determines whether such prodding awareness is good or evil.
So you think that Jews are voting democrat because of Jewish genetics, instead of them preferring liberal politics?
You also want to explain 150 years of Jews voting against the republican party, because of it’s recent identification with pro-Israel Evangelical Christians?
Look through my postings and show where I said anything about genetics. I'm talking about deep-seated Jewish culture preferring big-government and socialism.
Not quite sure what you mean by a Jew, are you including those with Jewish parents who are Christian. Like Marx, or John Allen or Barry Goldwater, none of whom I’d consider Jews, though the first two would qualify as heretics. Goldwater, like Kerry, would only be Jewish enough to be killed by the Reich. In my mind, conversion to another faith is the end of it, though I recognize it impacts returning to the faith. Not sure I understand the role of gentiles, they’re not really relevant to the question of Judaism.
If Jews voted according to news and issues, they would have noted the increasing alignment of the Dems with Muslims, and what that means to Jews' future in the US.
They have never voted republican, and prefer liberal politics, that is a pretty robotic "culture", you make it sound eternal and global.
This is NOT the view of traditional Jewish teaching, nor is it the view of most, if not all, modern Western societies. If an adult person publicly and unequivocally declares another faith, as Marx's parents did, he or she is no longer considered to be Jewish. Belonging to another faith tradition is inconsistent with being Jewish.
This holds regardless of what the secular authorities in command at the time may think. Most notoriously, had Marx's parents and Marx lived in Germany during the Nazi era, all of them would have been considered "Jews" according to the Nuremberg Laws. The Nazis considered people to be Jewish on the basis of genetics ("blood"); hence the term "genocide" to refer to the systematic killing of a people because of their ancestry.
Cultural attitudes would remain, even after conversion to another faith.
I don't know why, the Jews always voted with the KKK.
LOL!
You didn’t know that they both always voted for the same party?
Then why doesn't that apply to Hispanics who switch from Catholic to Protestant? While not a switch of religions, it is a religious switch, and it largely overcomes culture.
In 2004 for instance, Hispanics that were Protestant, voted 56% republican.
Right, that explains Barry Goldwater's extreme socialism. {/sarcasm}
There’s an old story-— a Jew flees America to live on the other side of the world. He wasn’t particularly religious but anyway after several years, then decades of the bachelor life devoid of religious observance, he meets a fine Christian woman and wants to get married—but properly. He wants to convert to Christianity. So he calls up the closest rabbi, tells his story, and asks, “How do I officially renounce my Jewishness??” The rabbi answers, “After so many decades with no apparent connection to Judaism, after such spiritual (seeming) atrophy.... you feel there is some cord that still needs cutting? I’m afraid I can’t help you. You’re stuck.”
The point being, once a Jew...
(Note: there may be a “conversion of doubt” necessary in some cases of apostasy, to return to the Jewish fold, and ol’ daddy Marx would not have been called to the Torah after ‘conversion’ to Christianity. But once a Jew....) Karl Marx was Jewish, with the status of “Tinok sh’nishbah,” a kidnapped child— kidnapped away from his heritage. Unfortunately this is the case of most of American Jewry.)
Chutzpah of the Jews— we don’t even believe in the validity of conversion away from Judaism to another religion. Chutzpah!
I know we've had this argument before, but you are wrong by oversimplifying. The pattern of Jews voting 'Rat by large margins in presidential elections only began in the 1920s, with the coming of age of masses of relatively recent eastern European Jewish immigrants and their progeny who became at that time the large majority of American Jewish voters.
I know you are going to try to prove your point by presenting a well-worn historical table of Jewish voting compiled by partisan 'Rats. The fact is that up until about 1940, when the telephone had arrived in the majority of American homes, it was just about impossible to do any meaningful political polling of any demographic group, because there was no reasonable way to randomly sample sufficient numbers of voters.
But the fact is that from the start of the Republican Party c. 1854 with its anti-slavery emphasis, what few Jewish voters there were in the US at that time were predominantly from Germany and had totally different politics from their later-arriving Eastern European cohorts. Although no meaningful polling could be possibly done during the time frame between then and say, 1920 (when even the 'rats acknowledge that Harding won a plurality of Jewish votes), anecdotal evidence indicates that this much more established and well-to-do German Jewish population tended to vote Republican during this period. This is stated in "Politics and Parties in America," by Clinton Rossiter, published in 1960 and in Stephen Birmingham's popular history book about German Jews in America, "Our Crowd," published in the 1960s, IIRC.
Interesting the the Marx-was-Jewish meme somehow leaves out any reference Marx made to any Jewish sympathies or experiences he might have had.
Marx wrote almost continually from a very young age, but no one has ever produced any insight from him on Jewishness. Except of course for a few well-known writings that could have been authored by any Jew-hating Lutheran or Catholic clergyman.
In the Nazi ideology as expressed in the Nuremberg laws, being Jewish - and therefore whether you were targeted for death - was determined by one's genealogical tree. If you had at least one eighth Jewish ancestry, you were Jewish as far as they were concerned, regardless of your religious or cultural or ethnic identification.
The fact is, that the Jews have never voted republican, and that did not start in 1920, in fact, in 1920, the Jews didn’t only vote against the republicans, they voted 38% for the socialist party.
While you were pretty vague in your post, and mostly trying to dispute history with implying, I can find the 1880s Jewish socialism push, and their involvement in promoting the left in their big city politics, but I can’t find the time when the Jews were voting majority republican.
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