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To: Secret Agent Man

“whathe said about hi fat diets is bunk and been proven so. its about too many calories in, period.”

You are repeating a myth that is all too common even among some physicians. The calories are not necessarily responsible for causing the obesity in many Type II diabetics. The genetic inheritance results in a malfunctioning metabolism which causes obesity no matter how many or how few calories are eaten and no matter how fat or skinny you were before the presentation of the diabetes. You can eat the equivalent of a WWII concentration camp diet of 800-900 calories per day for 6 months and still have the adipose fat deposited on the waist line making you obese.

The malfunctioning metabolism simply replaces the lost food intake by slowing down the metabolism even further resulting in profound lethargy and sleepiness, the dissolution of the muscle mass, and the conversion of the calories from that muscle mass into fat depostied on the waistline as a response to the perception of starvation. The diabetic increasingly looks like one of thsoe starving children with a gigantic belly superimposed on the bony stick figured frame of the starving child. That is because the insulin resistant cells are behaving as if they really are in starvation mode, being unable to pass the glucose through their cellular walls. In response to what the body misperceives as starvation, the body dissolves muscle tissue, tries and fails to feed the cells with the resulting glucose, and then stores much of the glucose from the dissolved muscle as fat on the body.

It becomes a vicious circle with the cells signalling the need for more glucose, making the diabetic all the more hungry. Yet, the provision of more glucose from the food simply makes the insulin resistance kick-in just that much worse, which in turn denies the ability of the insulin to pass the glucose through the hungry cellular walls. Instead of burning off the glucose in the hungry cells, the glucose remains in the bloodstream, where the glucose damages all of the organs before it can be converted into fat on the body to be stored against the false starvation needs.

So, even those Type II diabetics who eat half or less of the calories normally required for their gender, size, and age and exercise properly, the food they eat is too often stored as fat on the body instead of being burned off as it should have been.


8 posted on 06/25/2014 1:47:45 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

I disagree. If what you say was true there would have been AT LEAST a few fat people in the concentration camp photos. There weren’t, as I recall.


12 posted on 06/25/2014 4:28:46 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: WhiskeyX
"The genetic inheritance results in a malfunctioning metabolism which causes obesity no matter how many or how few calories are eaten and no matter how fat or skinny you were before the presentation of the diabetes. You can eat the equivalent of a WWII concentration camp diet of 800-900 calories per day for 6 months and still have the adipose fat deposited on the waist line making you obese."

Disagree. My mother had Type 2 diabetes; she was overweight and a classic apple shape, with the weight in her belly. I'm 51. I restrict my carbs, but other than that I eat what I want and I don't diet. I am not overweight, and I have a small waist instead of my mom's apple shape.

13 posted on 06/25/2014 7:53:36 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: WhiskeyX

This describes me. Not only that, but I can fast for a week and not lose a single ounce! The metabolism is the key factor. Even when walking and bike riding, I do not seem to lose weight. I don’t know what to do. I have stabilized the weight gain by exercise, but cannot lose. I eat two meals. I never eat more than 1200-1500 calories per day. It is depressing to me. When I first married, I ate less than 1000 calories/day and still had weight problems, although while living in Turkey, I was the best weight ever and had no issues with weight there. I need to go back to eating those foods more consistently! Everything was fresh and no packaged foods. I felt like a glutton there, it was so good. We ate out a lot. The worst was after turning 60, it was a constant weight gain, regardless of the amount of food, fasting, exercise, etc. I wish there was a magic pill for those of us who have this metabolic disorder.


14 posted on 06/25/2014 8:13:00 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: WhiskeyX

All of the overly fat people that I know love, I mean LOVE bread. They can sit at a table and consume half a loaf of bread before they even look at the rest of the meal. The three that expressed a desire to lose weight successfully did so by severely reducing their bread intake then reducing their quantity intake of high carb vegetables.


17 posted on 06/25/2014 10:05:30 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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